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To be amazed they've released Mairead Philpott?

874 replies

MarylinMonrue · 29/11/2020 17:02

After serving half her sentence for the arson attack? Apparently even a source from the prison was a shocked at the leniency and the fact she's going to get a new identity and protection. Six children in that fire - is there such a thing as justice in this country anymore?

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Sheerface · 02/12/2020 20:53

[quote Emeraldshamrock]@Sheerface I honestly don't think you were defending him. You're right we weren't there I hope the man never gets released though it's likely he will unless he dies in the meantime.
Life should mean natural life in some trials.[/quote]
^ hear hear to that!

Emeraldshamrock · 02/12/2020 20:55

Maired is a poor soul and Mick is evil. And males are privileged
You misquoted me in regard to SS mick went under the radar.
Mairead is far from a poor soul she is evil a scumbag crimes like this make me envy the heavy lifetime jail punishment in the US.

Wheresmykimchi · 02/12/2020 20:57

@Emeraldshamrock

Maired is a poor soul and Mick is evil. And males are privileged You misquoted me in regard to SS mick went under the radar. Mairead is far from a poor soul she is evil a scumbag crimes like this make me envy the heavy lifetime jail punishment in the US.
But the term male privelege in regards to this case is not applicable.
ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN · 02/12/2020 21:16

How do so many posters know that she was completely controlled, manipulated and downtrodden

When even her family (who actually know her) do not view her as not being complicit in some way

What about her not wanting to take any responsibility (she went along with being the victim when it possibly allowed her freedom) for what she was part of the deaths of six innocent children

Wheresmykimchi · 02/12/2020 21:20

@ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN

How do so many posters know that she was completely controlled, manipulated and downtrodden

When even her family (who actually know her) do not view her as not being complicit in some way

What about her not wanting to take any responsibility (she went along with being the victim when it possibly allowed her freedom) for what she was part of the deaths of six innocent children

This.
allthewaterinthetap · 02/12/2020 21:25

I don't think either of them really cared about the children. Philpott seems to see having kids as an ego boost, rather than the life of an individual person to be guided and nurtured. To him, they were just 'things'.

Anordinarymum · 02/12/2020 21:29

@allthewaterinthetap

I don't think either of them really cared about the children. Philpott seems to see having kids as an ego boost, rather than the life of an individual person to be guided and nurtured. To him, they were just 'things'.
Philpott saw the children as a means to an end. More children = more benefits. He bragged to people in the pub about it. The children were not thought of as human beings at all.
HollyCarrot · 02/12/2020 21:37

This is definitely a thing. I had this.

HollyCarrot · 02/12/2020 21:39

That was in reply to allthewaterinthetap, quote didn't work Blush

allthewaterinthetap · 02/12/2020 21:47

To think of it all, it is just so dreadfully sad. Even if the 'plan' worked and they all escaped, as the Judge said in her remarks, they would have been terrorised, traumatised. What about all their toys, their special belongings? That stays in my head.

AmorFattyOwlOne · 03/12/2020 08:09

Im saddened by the black and white thinking about what makes somebody a victim or not. Been a bit shocked.
His girlfriends were so young, mairead was on her second abusive relationship and her family background was bad too. Was she a victim up until the day she turned 18?
Just kind of reeling at the fact that people on this thread insist she was not a victim.

I watched a programme on youtube last night. His catalogue of abuse before they even got to the fire was astonishing.

x2boys · 03/12/2020 08:12

What about the stepson who alleges she sexually abused him ,which nobody seems to want to acknowledge was he a victim of her ?

Fruitpips99 · 03/12/2020 08:36

It's rarely a black and white area. Those who are abused often go on to abuse others.

stairway · 03/12/2020 09:52

Part of the reason Philpott is still behind bars is because he is deemed more of a risk to the population then Mairead and I think that is an accurate interpretation given his previous convictions.

furrypesto · 03/12/2020 12:52

Victim and abuser are often two sides of the same coin. Victims often gravitate to abusers and vice versa.

I see Mairead as both a victim in her life and a perpetrator. A poor helpless soul, and a callous self-serving manipulative person. Just as my parents were victims and helpless in their childhoods and went on to become abusive and self-serving during my childhood. What do I feel? Anger or pity? Take your pick, it makes no difference.

Does this excuse her? If we look at it from an emotional standpoint, no. 'I hope the woman rots' is what I feel. But if we look at it from a wholly emotionless standpoint then it is a reason. 'I hope we can learn from this' is what I think.

Sometimes I think it is pointless being outraged at people such as Mairead and Mick Philpott and brand them 'evil' (which is a totally unquantifiable notion) . They will do what they do because they lack the emotional capacity (note, this is not the same as legal capacity) to feel the normal level of love and empathy for their children. It just isn't there. There's a hole in them and no amount of appealing to their 'better nature' will help. This is their nature. Grubby, sordid, grasping, manipulative as well as distressing, painful and sad. You can scream at Mairead, you can call her wicked, request her hanging, but you are screaming into a void.

People struggle to comprehend that parents, and mothers in particular, are capable of really not loving their children in the same way that they do, if at all. But your rage will never reach them or affect them because they lack the emotional capacity to care.

Ultimately we need more services/provision/deterrents in place to intervene with people like them before such horrors occur. My outrage is reserved for the systems (be that the judiciary or ss) who failed at every step of the way to protect those children and continue daily to fail to protect children.

ancientgran · 03/12/2020 12:55

What about the stepson who alleges she sexually abused him ,which nobody seems to want to acknowledge was he a victim of her I'd never heard that, it gets worse and worse.

Emeraldshamrock · 03/12/2020 13:23

The hours before the fire were crazy drink drugs a three-some in the living room getting off on the excitement of the plan.
Those DC must have witnessed many messed up things in their short life.

ancientgran · 03/12/2020 13:35

Wow drinking and taking drugs is such a great way to prepare for a rescue.

Emeraldshamrock · 03/12/2020 13:56

@ancientgran That was my first thought too.

AmorFattyOwlOne · 03/12/2020 16:58

@x2boys

What about the stepson who alleges she sexually abused him ,which nobody seems to want to acknowledge was he a victim of her ?
He was a victim. That doesnt mean she wasnt a victim of mick philpott though. And as for the stepson, he will still be a victim of MP when he turns 18, or if he perpetrates an abuse on his own victim.
x2boys · 03/12/2020 17:02

What about Mick Phillpot maybe he was abused ? Non of it excuses there actions though ,Mick Phillpot is violent aggressive abusive bully ,nobodies denying that ,but that doesn't excuse Mairead s actions .

x2boys · 03/12/2020 17:04

their*

itsgettingweird · 03/12/2020 17:06

I agree with those who say no one questions the reasons or motive behind Micks actions.

What drove him to be a man who wanted younger woman, control, felt entitled?

Abuse, neglect in younger life, MH problems?

His behaviour throughout his adult life we have been arty to shows this isn't a well man with a neuro typical ability to think and rationalise.

If one is guilty if this crime all 3 are. They were all complicit.

Emeraldshamrock · 03/12/2020 17:18

I got the impression from documentary he was a confident scary teenager who others feared and wouldn't dare cross or deny his requests. He was on the army in his earlier years.
I don't know if he was abused how could I though it sounds like he was spoilt who always got what he wanted.
His motive to blame his mistress screams he can't be crossed without revenge.

Emeraldshamrock · 03/12/2020 17:19

Maybe he had frontal lobe damage.

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