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To point it out EVERYTIME DP does this?

133 replies

FTEngineerM · 28/11/2020 18:49

Not sure what the technical term is for this so bear with me..

My DP frequently implies what he wants rather than just says it, and it’s one of the most frustrating things he does. I realise lockdown and a new baby have probably amplified this so taking this lightheartedly at present and giving examples of when DM has done it also but curious what it’s called and do others do it?

Example
DP (changing DCs nappy): ooh his bum looks a bit red.

Me: oh no make sure you put some sudocream on it

DP( acting like he’s already asked): well.. yeah.. will you get it for me then?

My problem is he thinks he’s asking me to get the cream by just saying baby’s bum is sore. But.. he’s not. Is he?

Example
DM (whilst I’m hovering): oh so you don’t use the little nozzle and go around the edges.

Me: don’t I?

DM: well I’m asking you..

Me (not actually finished hoovering yet, nozzle is the ending): no you didn’t.

Argh it drives me nuts, why don’t people tend to actually ask what they mean.

OP posts:
Smallsteps88 · 28/11/2020 21:16

Why doesn’t he keep the nappy cream with the rest of the nappy changing stuff?

Thewinterofdiscontent · 28/11/2020 21:17

It’s annoying.
I think people think it’s being polite when in fact it’s simply poor communication skills.
Say what you mean. Humour always works better than some incoherent passive aggressive shit.

Blibbyblobby · 28/11/2020 21:24

Some of the replies on this thread sound like people would be deliberately obtuse in conversation for no reason than trying to sound clever. E.g. "Could you pass me the remote?" - "Of course I could (ignores)... oh you mean you would like me to, why didn't you ask!"

Completely different. In "Could you ...?" there is a direct request so the person who interprets it over-literally is (usually, not always though) just someone being annoying.

The OP's situation (and one that also drives me up the wall) has no actual request. It's just stating a problem and then waiting for the other person to solve it by doing something the first person wants to happen but won't ask for

I hate it. The first person knows what they want but absolves themselves of any responsibility for it by forcing the other person to be the one who articulates it.

It's a nasty little power play that creates a dynamic in the relationship where only one party can ever "fail".

Lightsontbut · 28/11/2020 21:27

If I'm in the middle of something else, be that an action or a thought, I'm not going to stop for anything less than a direct request.

This rang so true for me! My OH has a truly annoying habit of calling me and expecting me to come to him. If he calls me name, I say 'yes'. Then he calls again and I say 'yes' and finally he says 'can you come here'. I so do not want him to think that I will come running every time he says my name (like his mum did for his dad....). If he wants to interrupt me to show me something, then he can ask me directly for that and see whether it's actually convenient for me.

Margotshypotheticaldog · 28/11/2020 21:31

Frewer is your husband Irish? There's a thing called the Celtic Conditional.
You wouldn't ever have the time would you?
You couldn't pass me the salt could you?
You wouldn't know what time the post office closes? 😁
It's a generally harmless turn of phrase...
But agree with pps, the giving passive aggressive signals for something you want done is different very manipulate.

letsgoandtango · 28/11/2020 21:32

Aagh my DM does this and it drives me nuts. Except she does an even ruder version. At dinner "I just need carrots now" (sits and waits for someone to pass them). Just say "please can you pass the carrots" FFS!
Come to think of it MIL does it too, maybe it's a women of a certain generation thing.

NotImpossible · 28/11/2020 21:33

Aaargh - the non-answerers!

Do you want to go out for a walk?
It's raining...
So is that a no then?

I must admit if someone onsistently won't decide what flavour/colour/drink they want when provided with options I sometimes just shrug, tell them to let me know when they've made their mind up, and get my own.

Jobseeker19 · 28/11/2020 21:35

People do it at work, its incredibly lazy.

It's to get you to do something instead of them moving but they also get the credit for it.

I work in a nursery and have had people say stuff like, "I think there is something in that childs mouth..." Instead of seeing if there is. Or "its cold." And then stare at the window.

Get your arse up!

Thickhead · 28/11/2020 21:35

@Bag4Lyf

Argh. How is conversation so hard for people? My mum is the absolute opposite of this, you have to really drill her answers down to what she really wants as she won’t tell you, in case it’s inconvenient to you. She’s a sweet woman who trying to make things easier but it is infuriating. So it’s:

Me: Mum, do you want a drink? We’ve got orange juice, tropical juice, orange squash, or elderflower cordial

Her: are you having one?

Me: yes

Her: whatever is easiest

Me: well they’re mostly all next to each other in the fridge so it doesn’t matter

Her: oh (looks flustered) orange

Me: fresh orange, or squash?

Her: whichever is easiest

Me: they’re an equal amount of easiness....

Her:

Me: you know what, I’m having fresh orange, I’ll just get you the same

I’m looking forward to this sort of conversation at Christmas - add tea and coffee in the mix and it can take ages to get her a drink!

Oh God, I think I do this with my MIL, but I'm the flustered indecisive one.

Her: Do you want me to make a salad with dinner?

Me: Oh, well, only if you were planning on making it anyway

Her: Well do you usually have salad with dinner?

Me: Erm, sometimes, depends, but honestly whatever's easiest for you

Her: Well do you LIKE salad?

Me: Yes, but don't inconvenience yourself

It's making me sweat just thinking about it.

everythingbackbutyou · 28/11/2020 21:39

@HerselfIndoors, ha ha, yes - 'we' used to have a lot to do as well. My exh would take it one step further - if my daughter was being grumpy or tired he would say things like "We can't cope with late nights".

everythingbackbutyou · 28/11/2020 21:40

@Jobseeker19, I'm in the same line of work, and find that those types of people are lazy in nearly all work circumstances (unless donuts or something are being given out).

Scarydinosaurs · 28/11/2020 21:41

Have you told him this annoys you?

Every time he does it say: ask the question don’t hint.

Communication is on you too.

hesaidshesaidwhat · 28/11/2020 21:42

There seems to be a few posters on here who think that the person who is having to second guess or interpret what the other person is saying should be the one to accomodate and 'be kind'. Why is that? Why should the OP spend time working out what is required or become programmed to just 'do' things that they think are being hinted at/asked. Why is it the OPs responsibility to manage this?

The person with the issue of being able to ask a direct question or make a direct request is the one that needs to change. I've found the easiest way to do this is to ignore/make mmmm noises when requests are made as statements since very soon they will get that they need to actually ask and be clear. Where people won't answer a question like 'would you like a drink' then they simply don't get one or if they say 'I don't mind' then I take that as a no. It's amazing how quickly people learn to be decisive and stop wasting my time.

everythingbackbutyou · 28/11/2020 21:42

OP, thanks for posting! I am amongst kindred spirits!!

FastFood · 28/11/2020 21:47

He's putting the mental load on you.
Rather than saying "pass me the sudocream, will you?", he puts the decision to put some cream on you.
He places himself as an observer (making an observation that bum is red) rather than a decision maker.

HerselfIndoors · 28/11/2020 21:54

Yes and I agree with a PP, doing this is a way of making you make all the decisions, so he's never responsible.

Actually I've remembered my mum's own special version too! She would say "I do wish someone would hang up the washing!" or whatever. As a teenager I did a lot of housework and looking after younger siblings and I really resented her attempts to manipulate me, as if I wouldn't do it without her using emotional blackmail. I'd think "if you'd just asked I would have done it but fuck that" and I'd say "Oh do you?"

Yet despite not putting up with this kind of thing, I seem to attract people who do it. Or maybe it's just very common.

Sceptre86 · 28/11/2020 21:55

I too would find this annoying. If you want something, don't make a statement, ask the bloody question. As for the nappy change, he should have got his station prepared first and that includes having some nappy cream in reach.

Oreservoir · 28/11/2020 21:58

All I ask OP is you don't say to your dc
'Use your words.'
I feel so sorry for toddlers who get this from their parents.
As someone struggling to speak a second language everyday I can tell you that using your words with a limited vocabulary is not very easy.

NeonIcedcoffee · 28/11/2020 22:01

I fell like your mum's thing if it's about things like that. As it's a bit of a criticism.

Where as your partner that would just drive me fucking potty! And yes why isn't the sudocrem in the bag or nappy station? (box!). What does he say when you ask him about it?

It is a bit passive aggressive from him because it assumes you're some kind of mind reader and know what he wants or are there to serve him.

mathanxiety · 28/11/2020 22:04

My sister will say "Hmm I have to be back at mine by x time" and she means "give me a lift now" but won't admit it. Grrrrrrr!

Just shrug. Tell yourself that this isn't your problem.
If she says she hoped you could give her a lift, you need to spell out that you are open to giving a prearranged lift if it wouldn't inconvenience you, but ad hoc lifts don't work for you at all.
Don't sit there grinding your teeth passive aggressively. Use your words.

My ex did something similar - he would say "Oh, we really need to do" xyz and then look at me expectantly. He was effectively telling me to do xyz, as he would never lift a finger, but pretending he wasn't
That is learned helplessness. It is manipulative.
And I see you have dealt with that particular problem.

Have you told him this annoys you?
Every time he does it say: ask the question don’t hint.
Communication is on you too
THIS ^^ by Scarydinosaurs

hesaidshesaidwhat
Some people on this thread are missing the irony of complaining on an internet forum about a bad communication habit, but apparently not directly to the people who are annoying them in their own homes.

Humour always works better than some incoherent passive aggressive shit.
Yes, and this cuts both ways.

@Lightsontbut, your H is rude and inconsiderate.

mooncakes · 28/11/2020 22:13

@Thickhead your poor MIL! Do you want a bloody salad or not??

TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/11/2020 22:14

@mathanxiety

First example: The cream should always be in the changing spot in the first place, and should always be replaced at the changing spot if it's moved from there, or just buy cream for each room in which you might conceivably change a baby. Even if you rarely use cream, buying a few extra tubs or tubes isn't going to break the bank. Same goes for wipes. After you have set up your home with practicality in mind, you could say - 'You can handle that, right?' to your DP.

For foody questions - get organised, place a running list somewhere in the kitchen and tell him to add it to the list. I have a whiteboard on the fridge that is really handy.

With your DM, I suspect she was actually asking a question which was a conversation gambit.

In general, I agree with @PlanDeRaccordement's take on things here.

I don't think these people are being manipulative. It's very likely that they were brought up in homes where direct requests to parents would result in some sort of humiliation or where an extreme form of politeness was the norm and everyone danced around a topic instead of spitting it out.

There is an element of learned helplessness to it that is a concern, but you are not going to change that by being curt or snarky, either with an adult or with a child. Instead, try to empower the other person. With a child, you are probably contributing to the habit by presenting solutions every time or by being cross about requests, or in some other way disempowering him or her. Your task with a child who does this is to establish a solid level of trust that their need for validation and encouragement is going to be met, and you also need to address whatever anxiety they are feeling. 'Are you worried that you don't have any socks to wear?' or 'Don't worry, I'm sure we can find a clean pair while the rest are being washed'.
In general, you can use the phrase, 'How might we deal with this problem?' basically inviting the child to come up with their own solution, then offering praise for practical thinking. This should all happen in a context where the child is encouraged to make their own choices about many elements of their life - choice of two equally suitable outfits to go to the park, to a party, to church, and natural consequences for insisting on a t-shirt on a cold day. To a certain degree, you can offer a choice of breakfasts, lunchbox items, one or other veg or fruit at dinner time, flavour of yoghurt, type of cheese, etc.
'You can deal with that, right?' or 'I'm confident that you can figure out a good way to deal with that' are good for older children or teens. You need to set up systems in your home that ensure all information doesn't have to be funneled through you personally and verbally before you start on this. I'm talking whiteboards, family organiser apps, calendar sharing, etc. These empower the family members and take the mental burden off you.

With an adult, you are dealing with a more ingrained habit which often comes from their family of origin. Try to figure out if it's learned helplessness, which adds to your mental load, or extreme politeness/inability to make a direct request. You need to deal kindly and consistently with the learned helplessness because that isn't fair to the person shouldering the mental and physical burdens it causes, but the politeness could be reframed in your own mind as charm. Try to acknowledge the gentleness and appreciate it. For learned helplessness, again, get organised, and get in the habit of sitting your OH down to go over plans and logistics for your lives together on a weekly basis. Try not to resent 'yet another thing' you have to do - this is something that will benefit you directly. You know what the problem is and there is a way to turn things around, so don't just sit there fuming silently or responding with snippy remarks.

Be careful what you wish for here - having orders barked at you isn't at all nice. It's always a good thing to add to the level of kindness in a home. I would even go so far as to say 'Better kind than right.' Abrasiveness is corrosive to a relationship just as much as unfairness is.

No no and no!

This puts all the responsibilities for sorting this horrible habit on the OP!

Your sympathies about a persons lack of ability to ask a direct question is misaligned. This is not the OPs problem to sort.

OP needs to ignore any hinting until the dh works out he needs to ask.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/11/2020 22:16

There is also a middle ground. It is not the either hinting or barking orders - there is a version of life where if one person needs help they just ask and the other person chooses to help them. Mutual respect and assistance.

Lightsontbut · 28/11/2020 22:23

*FIL was like this ''Oh it's nearly 11.'
Me (generally wrangling a small child) 'oh is it?
FIL 'yes I wonder if anyone ever has elevenses these days'
Me 'I don't know'
FIL 'It's quite a nice thing to have isn't it?
Me 'I have never really thought about it.'

He had always been waited on first by his mother and then MIL. Dh tried it but didn't get very far.*

Last 'Me' should be 'go on then you talked me into it. Can you make some for me too when you're making your>'

Lightsontbut · 28/11/2020 22:29

@Lightsontbut, your H is rude and inconsiderate.

Sometimes, yes. He's also a pretty poor communicator which may be relevant. E.g.

Me 'what time will you be back as I need to use the car to do x'
DH 'oh not late'

We have had the same conversation repeatedly where I then request than he gives me the time as an actual number or likely range of numbers as one person's 'not late' is not necessarily another person's 'not late'. I've said many times that a range is fine (e.g. probably between 9:30 and 10 so I don't think it's that he feels tied down, just that he is not good at precision in communicating - makes it hard work sometimes though).