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To point it out EVERYTIME DP does this?

133 replies

FTEngineerM · 28/11/2020 18:49

Not sure what the technical term is for this so bear with me..

My DP frequently implies what he wants rather than just says it, and it’s one of the most frustrating things he does. I realise lockdown and a new baby have probably amplified this so taking this lightheartedly at present and giving examples of when DM has done it also but curious what it’s called and do others do it?

Example
DP (changing DCs nappy): ooh his bum looks a bit red.

Me: oh no make sure you put some sudocream on it

DP( acting like he’s already asked): well.. yeah.. will you get it for me then?

My problem is he thinks he’s asking me to get the cream by just saying baby’s bum is sore. But.. he’s not. Is he?

Example
DM (whilst I’m hovering): oh so you don’t use the little nozzle and go around the edges.

Me: don’t I?

DM: well I’m asking you..

Me (not actually finished hoovering yet, nozzle is the ending): no you didn’t.

Argh it drives me nuts, why don’t people tend to actually ask what they mean.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 28/11/2020 20:31

I agree that its a way of making something somone elses problem.

Like the "there are no socks in my drawer" example above. Ex DH used to say things like "there are no clean mugs" and sit down without a drink. He would sit there huffing and puffing about not having a drink and making it clear I was being very selfish to not go and wash one and make him said drink. Once I realised I was being played I would just respond with helpful answers that didnt actually involve me doing everything for him so "There are clean ones in the diswasher" or "No, no one has filled the dishwasher (that being his official job)"

The "we are out of X" drove me up the wall to the point that I would deliberately not buy whatever it was. Not the reason he is an ex but one of many reasons that I am glad that he is!

TheGoodEnoughWife · 28/11/2020 20:31

Also to add the other way round dh would say 'well you should have said you needed help' so if he doesn't like me hinting don't expect it to work the other way round!

I don't like the balance of helping each other being off iyswim.

lottiegarbanzo · 28/11/2020 20:32

It's definitely the behaviour of a matriarch or patriarch who is used to other people jumping into action to serve them.

If people didn't do that, it wouldn't work. They would have to find a different way to communicate.

Bag4Lyf · 28/11/2020 20:33

Argh. How is conversation so hard for people? My mum is the absolute opposite of this, you have to really drill her answers down to what she really wants as she won’t tell you, in case it’s inconvenient to you. She’s a sweet woman who trying to make things easier but it is infuriating. So it’s:

Me: Mum, do you want a drink? We’ve got orange juice, tropical juice, orange squash, or elderflower cordial

Her: are you having one?

Me: yes

Her: whatever is easiest

Me: well they’re mostly all next to each other in the fridge so it doesn’t matter

Her: oh (looks flustered) orange

Me: fresh orange, or squash?

Her: whichever is easiest

Me: they’re an equal amount of easiness....

Her:

Me: you know what, I’m having fresh orange, I’ll just get you the same

I’m looking forward to this sort of conversation at Christmas - add tea and coffee in the mix and it can take ages to get her a drink!

AcornAutumn · 28/11/2020 20:33

I think the vacuum one should be answered with “no I don’t, do you?”

I don’t think he meant “please get the cream”. I think he wanted you to do the whole task.

FTEngineerM · 28/11/2020 20:35

@lottiegarbanzo

Why does he need to ask at all? Changing a nappy isn't a two-person job. Surely he has sudocrem with him already? Why isn't he more organised in the first place?
That’s a whole other thread Grin !!!

I’m surprised to read so many stories of manipulation and coercion coming from this type of behaviour, I’d not even thought of it in that way.

DM is very assertive and direct in almost every other way so I’m surprised she doesn’t just say the question rather than skimming around using a statement to sort of hint at what she wants to know. DP is kind, soft and gentle and might fall into the ‘doesn’t want to sound bossy’ category... at least I hope. I will keep an eye now Hmm

I’m definitely more direct, saying that, the example of the directions from PP that would be sooooo annoying.

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NewlyGranny · 28/11/2020 20:36

Nah, life is too short and too complicated already without these imposed dance moves in place of clear communication. I trained this out of one family member who tried playing 'Guess what I'm thinking?' with me by taking him (it's nearly always a him) at his word. He would respond with 'If you like/I dont mind,' to every question I, his hostess, asked offering him something to eat or drink or do in my house. It drove me crackers becasue I never knew what he DID want. So I asked him to stick to one of two answers: Yes, please/No, thank you.

When he obfuscated, he got nothing. After being left looking sad and hopeful once or twice, he got it and used his words like a grown up.

He was a man who had been danced attendance on by his widowed mother and sisters as a pampered only son. His long-suffering wife had continued the service but I wasn't going to. In his case, it was accompanied by sulks and rages when people didn't successfully predict/infer what he wanted but wouldn't ask for or failed to humour and coax him lengthily until he confessed his preference.

Sod that, sorry. Tell him to use his words! Oh, and it's totally different from the "Yes, I do know the time, but you haven't asked me that," pedant. That's another variety of a*hole again.

bumblingbovine49 · 28/11/2020 20:37

I hate this way if talking but even worse is asking questions that aren't really questions.

" aren't you cold, shall I close the window?" meaning " I'm cold and want the window closed"

"It's getting late aren't you hungry?". meaning " When are you planning to start dinner because I'm getting hungry"

"Do you think it's a bit too cold to go out for the walk we had planned?" meaning " I know I agreed to go for a walk but it's freezing outside and Ive changed my mind now"

Say what you mean fgs and don't make me responsible for your decisions.

PurpleMustang · 28/11/2020 20:39

I agree that your DM was more of a question and I would of respond, "not yet, I use it at the end", and if i wanted to then ask, "how do you do it?" With your husband that is just infuriating. Its like he is making the statement and assuming you know what the request will be afterwards. Either say, as you did and do you need the cream (assuming he can't leave the baby), or when he says a statement say as I sometimes do which is are you asking me or telling me? Mine will say, so and so is happening later and as this is news to me and I am expected to participate i say, are you asking me or telling me? Gets across the point that I know sfa about it and being ordered around. If you return back with a question he will get the idea that his statement wasn't clear and what he actually wanted to convey

everythingbackbutyou · 28/11/2020 20:39

@lovelemoncurd, exactly this! One look at misogynistic, entitled ex Fil and 'jump to attention on command' ex MIL makes it very easy to see where exH learnt the effectiveness of this behaviour. He only had to hint about how a cup of tea (made by a woman as that is what they do) would be nice, and it appeareth before him. Vomit.

Eckhart · 28/11/2020 20:42

Does he ever just plainly ask you for what he wants?

purringpaws · 28/11/2020 20:50

@Airyfairymarybeary

I HATE hinters!!!!! Just come straight out with it you weirdos!!!

I was going to post the same.

Hinters make me full of rage- to the extent that I deliberately ignore the hints and will stubbornly do the opposite to what is being hinter at!!

ouchmyfeet · 28/11/2020 20:54

I give my kids shit for this kind of behaviour, they are 7 and 9. Plenty old enough to say what they mean. Yanbu.

This

MyMajesty · 28/11/2020 20:55

Maybe respond less to DH?
As in :

DH- baby's bum is red
You - oh, dear
DH (if he's trying to avoid asking) - I'll need to put cream on it
You - Mmhm
DH (if he's a total twit) I don't have it here
You - silence

purringpaws · 28/11/2020 20:56

@Bag4Lyf

Argh. How is conversation so hard for people? My mum is the absolute opposite of this, you have to really drill her answers down to what she really wants as she won’t tell you, in case it’s inconvenient to you. She’s a sweet woman who trying to make things easier but it is infuriating. So it’s:

Me: Mum, do you want a drink? We’ve got orange juice, tropical juice, orange squash, or elderflower cordial

Her: are you having one?

Me: yes

Her: whatever is easiest

Me: well they’re mostly all next to each other in the fridge so it doesn’t matter

Her: oh (looks flustered) orange

Me: fresh orange, or squash?

Her: whichever is easiest

Me: they’re an equal amount of easiness....

Her:

Me: you know what, I’m having fresh orange, I’ll just get you the same

I’m looking forward to this sort of conversation at Christmas - add tea and coffee in the mix and it can take ages to get her a drink!

I'd have a similar conversation with a similar relative.

Drives me nuts. When it's all go at Xmas and I'm the only adult hosting. I need straight answers.

Me: How many rounds of sandwich?
Relative: I don't mind
Me: One or two.
Relative: What are you having
Me: 1
Relative: Ok one.
Me: arghhhhhh

Surely if one was enough Relative would have said "one" to the first question.

MyMajesty · 28/11/2020 20:56

Have you explained to him what he's doing and how annoying it is?

DreadingSeason2020sFinale · 28/11/2020 20:59

My in laws will not give an answer! It drives me insane. They also do what your DH does. We are expected to know the answer to a question we must guess that they asked without asking. And then they get the hump when we don't do what they don't tell us to do. Seriously, MIL will stick out her lip, wave her arms and get all huffy that we've just abandoned her or treated her like crap or whatever she has the hump about.

Just recently,

DH to his Dad: "Do you want a cup of tea?"
FIL: "I just brought my cup from upstairs"
DH and I: "okaaayy.....?" ::blank stares::

Or,

DH to his mum this week: "Do you want us to give you a lift to the shops today instead of you walking?"
MIL: "I need to get some shopping"
US: "Okaaaayyy.... So do you want a lift?"

mathanxiety · 28/11/2020 20:59

First example:
The cream should always be in the changing spot in the first place, and should always be replaced at the changing spot if it's moved from there, or just buy cream for each room in which you might conceivably change a baby. Even if you rarely use cream, buying a few extra tubs or tubes isn't going to break the bank. Same goes for wipes.
After you have set up your home with practicality in mind, you could say - 'You can handle that, right?' to your DP.

For foody questions - get organised, place a running list somewhere in the kitchen and tell him to add it to the list. I have a whiteboard on the fridge that is really handy.

With your DM, I suspect she was actually asking a question which was a conversation gambit.

In general, I agree with @PlanDeRaccordement's take on things here.

I don't think these people are being manipulative. It's very likely that they were brought up in homes where direct requests to parents would result in some sort of humiliation or where an extreme form of politeness was the norm and everyone danced around a topic instead of spitting it out.

There is an element of learned helplessness to it that is a concern, but you are not going to change that by being curt or snarky, either with an adult or with a child. Instead, try to empower the other person. With a child, you are probably contributing to the habit by presenting solutions every time or by being cross about requests, or in some other way disempowering him or her. Your task with a child who does this is to establish a solid level of trust that their need for validation and encouragement is going to be met, and you also need to address whatever anxiety they are feeling. 'Are you worried that you don't have any socks to wear?' or 'Don't worry, I'm sure we can find a clean pair while the rest are being washed'.
In general, you can use the phrase, 'How might we deal with this problem?' basically inviting the child to come up with their own solution, then offering praise for practical thinking. This should all happen in a context where the child is encouraged to make their own choices about many elements of their life - choice of two equally suitable outfits to go to the park, to a party, to church, and natural consequences for insisting on a t-shirt on a cold day. To a certain degree, you can offer a choice of breakfasts, lunchbox items, one or other veg or fruit at dinner time, flavour of yoghurt, type of cheese, etc.
'You can deal with that, right?' or 'I'm confident that you can figure out a good way to deal with that' are good for older children or teens. You need to set up systems in your home that ensure all information doesn't have to be funneled through you personally and verbally before you start on this. I'm talking whiteboards, family organiser apps, calendar sharing, etc. These empower the family members and take the mental burden off you.

With an adult, you are dealing with a more ingrained habit which often comes from their family of origin. Try to figure out if it's learned helplessness, which adds to your mental load, or extreme politeness/inability to make a direct request. You need to deal kindly and consistently with the learned helplessness because that isn't fair to the person shouldering the mental and physical burdens it causes, but the politeness could be reframed in your own mind as charm. Try to acknowledge the gentleness and appreciate it. For learned helplessness, again, get organised, and get in the habit of sitting your OH down to go over plans and logistics for your lives together on a weekly basis. Try not to resent 'yet another thing' you have to do - this is something that will benefit you directly. You know what the problem is and there is a way to turn things around, so don't just sit there fuming silently or responding with snippy remarks.

Be careful what you wish for here - having orders barked at you isn't at all nice. It's always a good thing to add to the level of kindness in a home. I would even go so far as to say 'Better kind than right.' Abrasiveness is corrosive to a relationship just as much as unfairness is.

Slothkin · 28/11/2020 21:00

@Bag4Lyf there’s a wonderful episode of a radio show called Cabin Pressure with a Mum exactly like this! 😊 johnfinnemore.blogspot.com/2013/02/wokingham-place-holder.html?m=1

Thistledew · 28/11/2020 21:03

My MIL does this and it's infuriating. In her case she is trying to be nice and doesn't want to be demanding, but actually it requires more emotional labour on my part. I first have to figure out exactly what it is that she is asking and then if I actually want to decline her request I not only have to do so but I have to formulate the rest of her question first.

e.g.:
MIL "DS wants to do X on his iPad but it's not working properly."

Me

TW2013 · 28/11/2020 21:09

FIL was like this ''Oh it's nearly 11.'
Me (generally wrangling a small child) 'oh is it?
FIL 'yes I wonder if anyone ever has elevenses these days'
Me 'I don't know'
FIL 'It's quite a nice thing to have isn't it?
Me 'I have never really thought about it.'

He had always been waited on first by his mother and then MIL. Dh tried it but didn't get very far.

Thistledew · 28/11/2020 21:10

My own mum has a variation on the theme. She will ask me to do something, but then when I go to do it for her will say "It doesn't need doing right away!"

No mum, I don't mind doing it and I would rather do it right away or I will have to double my mental load on this thing by having to remember to do it later, but not so much later that you get annoyed because it hasn't been done!

Bag4Lyf · 28/11/2020 21:10

[quote Slothkin]@Bag4Lyf there’s a wonderful episode of a radio show called Cabin Pressure with a Mum exactly like this! 😊 johnfinnemore.blogspot.com/2013/02/wokingham-place-holder.html?m=1[/quote]
Grin thankyou, I shall check that out!

HerselfIndoors · 28/11/2020 21:11

I hate this too. Just fucking say what you want! I think people do it because they get this idea that asking is rude or lays them open to being accused of being bossy or controlling. But by hinting, they are saying what they want, but also putting it on you, which is just extra rude IMO!

My sister will say "Hmm I have to be back at mine by x time" and she means "give me a lift now" but won't admit it. Grrrrrrr!

My ex did something similar - he would say "Oh, *we really need to do" xyz and then look at me expectantly. He was effectively telling me to do xyz, as he would never lift a finger, but pretending he wasn't because he was such a nice guy and would never tell anyone to do anything Hmm.

frewer · 28/11/2020 21:13

DH goes one better than this, he tells me what he wants by telling me what I cant do.

"You couldn't get me a cup of tea?"......me "If you say so."

"You couldn't post this for me?"............me "If you say so."

He doesn't understand my reply ever, just looks blank.