Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

What do you think I am twisting there?

You said that other people disagree that it is ok to imprison a teenager in their room. When the only person who keeps talking about locking a teenager in their room is you.

As in other people disagree with you and think it's fine. My last post was badly worded.

@flaviaritt can you point to any post on this thread where anyone has said that it's ok to force a child to stay in their room?

@flaviaritt

lyralalala

I am not pretending. It is perfectly clear and has been for hundreds of posts: I am saying IF.

And “force” doesn’t mean physical force. It means an instruction the child is expected to follow: “You can’t leave your room.”

And you know this. So I am not the person twisting anything. You are.

Your twisting and grey-rocking is clear to everyone except you

The fact you resort to insults when you run out of answers to simple questions says all anyone needs to know

You said that other people disagree that it is ok to imprison a teenager in their room.

They do disagree. Nearly everyone on this thread thinks it is fine (or appears to think it is fine) to compel a child to remain in their room for days at a time. I do not think that. I haven’t twisted anything.

lyralalala

Again, I don’t know what “grey rocking” is. And I am not twisting a single thing.

@flaviaritt

lyralalala

Again, I don’t know what “grey rocking” is. And I am not twisting a single thing.

At least you don’t have the brass neck to deny resorting to insults when you run out of answers to simple questions

JesusInTheCabbageVan

I could, but I am not going to because you (like them) are using a definition of “force” that isn’t relevant here. I have clearly said it is not about a lock on the door or physical force. So... just read it?

lyralalala

I haven’t “run out of answers” to anything. Still very much here, answering.

I could, but I am not going to

Says it all really Go o-o-on, just one. Then you'll have the satisfaction of proving us all wrong. Nobody will argue with you any more! You'll win the thread!!

@flaviaritt

lyralalala

I haven’t “run out of answers” to anything. Still very much here, answering.

Except for the questions you ignore. Repeatedly.

But hey ho, you’re clearly loving the attention and no doubt have a few more insults up your sleeve.

JesusInTheCabbageVan

You are talking absolute nonsense. Asking me to point to where people have said something I have not claimed they have said, and resting on a word with two definitions. I have no need to engage with that.

You've not answered the question -why are you assuming any coercion?

Most teens will know that self-isolating stops the spread of Covid and which groups are most at risk. That is enough info for many to stay in their room with their home comforts.

Unless you think that the number of parents who have to manipulate their child into staying in the house and their room is high then you need to explain why you think that this child was treated badly.

What do you think about school children who are sent home when the bubble burst but are out and about with it without parents at places like the supermarket? That's going to be far more common

lyralalala

If your question is a lie (“why are you saying X” when I am not) then of course I will point that out and then ignore it. I’m not going to answer it as if it’s true, am I? That would be weird.

Honestly people, please stop engaging with flavairitt, all it will do is raise your blood pressure. Her argument is flawed, she refuses point blank to even consider any other side of an argument and this seems to be a trait in all her threads. I ducked out of the thread pages ago and am amazed to see she is still banging on despite multiple posters trying to have a sensible debate

You've not answered the question -why are you assuming any coercion?

I am not answering that because it is nonsense.

😂😂😂😂

This is exactly what is meant by self isolation.

That people aren't doing this is precisely why the pandemic continues to spread

@flaviaritt

JesusInTheCabbageVan

I could, but I am not going to because you (like them) are using a definition of “force” that isn’t relevant here. I have clearly said it is not about a lock on the door or physical force. So... just read it?

Also, (if you.... just read the thread) I haven't said anything about how I define force on here. But the OED defines it as:

[Noun] Coercion or compulsion, esp with the threat of violence.
[Transitive verb] Constrain a person by force or against his or her will.

This virus is very, very unlikely to kill a person with a 14 year old child (someone in their 40s).

I'm in my 40s with a teenager. I'm classed as CV because I have arthritis and the medication I take for it. This normally has no risk to my life. I'm not expected to die from it.

As a result of Covid, 7 weeks ago I was rushed to a and e with dangerously high blood pressure. There was a real threat of heart attack or stroke. Obviously with either of them there is a risk of death. I'm no on, most likely, life long medication to stabilise my blood pressure .

Constrain a person by force or against his or her will.

And that is exactly what we are talking about. The teenager has a will. If their will is to self-isolate, all well and good. If it is not, and the parent says they have to, that is against their will and (if the parent goes through with making them do it) it is compulsion. You can pick at this all you like but it’s the simple reality.

Aragog

I’m sorry to hear that.

@Mydogmylife

Honestly people, please stop engaging with flavairitt, all it will do is raise your blood pressure. Her argument is flawed, she refuses point blank to even consider any other side of an argument and this seems to be a trait in all her threads. I ducked out of the thread pages ago and am amazed to see she is still banging on despite multiple posters trying to have a sensible debate

I know, it's amazing, isn't it? She's like the Duracell Bunny

Mydogmylife

Of course I have considered the other side of the argument. I just don’t agree with it, and that seems to get some people quite riled up. Hardly my fault.

@flaviaritt

Constrain a person by force or against his or her will.

And that is exactly what we are talking about. The teenager has a will. If their will is to self-isolate, all well and good. If it is not, and the parent says they have to, that is against their will and (if the parent goes through with making them do it) it is compulsion. You can pick at this all you like but it’s the simple reality.

But that's exactly what we're all saying as well! Which is why you can't actually point to anyone on this thread who has said otherwise!

You're like Trump with his evidence of voter fraud.