Doing this to a child is wrong

[fuckxmas]

BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

This virus is very, very unlikely to kill a person with a 14 year old child (someone in their 40s).

I know three people in this age bracket who have been seriously incapacitated since March and who still don't know if the damage done to internal organs is going to be permanent. Are you seriously suggesting this wouldn't impact on the life of a 14yo to have their parent that ill? How much caring can you do if you're being rushed into hospital because your kidneys aren't functioning?

Do you grey rock this much in the real world? I'm not "pretending to be confused" I am confused, as are others on here, but we're the silly ones because you can't debate clearly? righto then.

Going from just your post and not the full article, then no i dont think it's bad if it was because she may have covid. 4 days isn't that long and she's 14, not 4. As long as she has a toilet, somewhwre to wash and food/drink then I'm sure she's fine for 4 days considering the circumstances. She can communicate through the door/ use her phone and internet to connect to people and I'm sure shes got things she can do in her room to keep her occupied

It does make sense. You don’t want to respond to the substance of my argument so you are now going to pretend you are confused. How silly.

There is literally no substance to your argument. First you made dramatic points about liberty then you said Oh OK actually liberty isn't absolute it's fine to deprive kids of liberty overnight but that's not at all the same as a few days. Then you implied a few days is the same as a year.

In my generation, and where I grew up, you didn't have measles parties: it was considered too serious an illness to go spreading around if you could help it. So any child who contracted measles would stay in their room.
In fact, that was normal behaviour even for a D & V or ordinary flu/bad cold, too. Why make more people ill if you don't have to?
Never heard of a single child who was traumatised by not being able to move freely round the house when ill.

I've never heard of measles parties. German measles, yes; measles is far more serious but kids are vaccinated against that and have been for some time.

corythatwas

I am not suggesting that. I am suggesting that I don’t believe it is okay to make a 14 year old ‘responsible’ for that to the extent that you lock them up. It’s very bad luck if you get really ill. It’s not the fault of the people you live with.

4 yos who have the technology they need, staying in their room for 4 or 14 days is not imprisonment. It's common sense if they are self isolating!
No, it's not common sense - where is the fresh air they need, the outdoor space (if they have a garden) to exercise, the chance to get out in what little sunshine we have which is essential to try and get some small amount of vitamin D if they haven't got the supplements they need.

IMNOTSHOUTING

I did not imply that a few days is the same as a year. I am asking you: why not a year? What is it about a teenager being confined to their room for a year that is unacceptable, that isn’t the case with a two week forced isolation? To you, that is?

fuckxmas

Indeed. And let’s not forget, this could happen any number of times this winter. But oh it’s fine, they’ve got a phone.

I am suggesting that I don’t believe it is okay to make a 14 year old ‘responsible’ for that to the extent that you lock them up. It’s very bad luck if you get really ill. It’s not the fault of the people you live with.

How stupid do you think 14 year olds are? If their parent gets seriously ill with a disease they gave them they're going to feel incredibly bad, they'll desperately wish that they'd gone to more effort to prevent the disease spreading to them. It's nothing to do with luck. It's absolutely to do with risks and mitgiting them to a sensible degree.

IMNOTSHOUTING

I don’t believe confining a 14 year old to their room for days at a time without exercise to worry about a virus that is very unlikely to harm them or anyone in their immediate family is sensible at all. I believe it is an unreasonable deprivation of their liberty.

Why not a year?

trappedsincesundaymorn

I have no idea what “grey rocking” is.

In fact, that was normal behaviour even for a D & V or ordinary flu/bad cold, too.

That really isn’t normal. It’s crazy. A bad cold can last weeks.

@IMNOTSHOUTING

I am suggesting that I don’t believe it is okay to make a 14 year old ‘responsible’ for that to the extent that you lock them up. It’s very bad luck if you get really ill. It’s not the fault of the people you live with.

How stupid do you think 14 year olds are? If their parent gets seriously ill with a disease they gave them they're going to feel incredibly bad, they'll desperately wish that they'd gone to more effort to prevent the disease spreading to them. It's nothing to do with luck. It's absolutely to do with risks and mitgiting them to a sensible degree.

Apparently they just need to be told “It wasn’t your fault” and they’ll be fine 😂😂

My teen doesn’t want me to mildly under the weather either as they lose their taxi driver/ cook/ cleaner/dogsbody🤣 in all seriousness they would not want to give this disease to anyone and are very diligent wearing a mask/ washing hands etc even though the risk of covid is pretty low for them.

We try and isolate as much as possible for D&V too. It’s obviously for a shorter time period though. It works!

flaviaritt I remember you from the Christmas thread, where you were banging on and on about how YOU would have invited every child on the street. Now here you are again, doing the same. Talk about beating a dead horse

A bad cold can last weeks.

Ok, what we used to call a bad cold in those days is probably what people would call flu now: a temperature and a whole array of other symptoms. Flu used to be reserved for a serious illness.

Apparently they just need to be told “It wasn’t your fault” and they’ll be fine 😂😂

Apparently it’s fine to lock your kids in their bedrooms for days on the off-chance that they’re going to kill everyone they know when they have a bad cold/flu/no actual illness at all. Who knew?

corythatwas

So when children feel ill and miserable (flu is horrible) they should be confined to their bedrooms for - what? - a week to ten days? In their own homes? Every time they’re sick? This is grotesque.

northstars

Feel free to go elsewhere if you don’t like it.

It’s not that long. The kids who had to shield were meant to have meals away from their family and avoid close contact for months.

@flaviaritt

IMNOTSHOUTING

I don’t believe confining a 14 year old to their room for days at a time without exercise to worry about a virus that is very unlikely to harm them or anyone in their immediate family is sensible at all. I believe it is an unreasonable deprivation of their liberty.

Why not a year?

My mum caught the virus from someone outside the family, we know this because we hadn't seen her for 4 weeks, as she had health conditions which meant she was at risk. The only people she came into contact with were the district nurses and the man who bought in her medical equipment, nobody else. I wonder which one of those allowed their infected family member to wander about the house passing the virus on to them, so they could pass it on to mum who then died, all for the sake of a few days in their room.

I don’t believe it is okay to make a 14 year old ‘responsible’ for that to the extent that you lock them up. It’s very bad luck if you get really ill. It’s not the fault of the people you live with.

So if it's bad luck and the teen accepts they were not responsible, that's not going to impact their lives? Having to worry about losing a parent, having a parent who can't even get out of the house for months (I have friends in this position), can't do a thing for them or is rushed into hospital repeatedly isn't going to be a problem for the same teenager who according to you can't survive for 4 days speaking to their parent from the next room?