Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

I'm bowing out, I do not have the time to argue with stupid, Off to lock my dh in his office aas he is annoying me may chuck him some bread and water some time next week!

I couldn't possibly comment

I'd say there was only one @Aragog Is it me or are the goalposts being continually moved?

Ds is a uni student in a dorm, so ok a few years older than the girl in the story, but if he had symptoms / a positive test, he’d have to isolate in that one room 🤷‍♀️ I mean it’s not ideal, but I don’t think he’d be scarred for life. I’m sure if my 14 year old was in the same boat he’d also rather stay in his room than put me at risk.

@ILoveYou3000

I couldn't possibly comment

I'd say there was only one @Aragog Is it me or are the goalposts being continually moved?

For 15 pages...

I'd say there was only one @Aragog Is it me or are the goalposts being continually moved?

I have said the same thing throughout. It is people pretending I am saying something else and then changing what they are pretending who perceive the posts to move.

Lyralala

Yes!

I'm out. Off out for a while.

@flaviaritt

You have admitted that your poor children are deprived of their liberty each and every night when you cruely imprison them in solitary confinement in their rooms. The actual likelihood of them dying while out at night is very small yet inhumanely you insist on removing their precious freedon and forcibly confining them to their jail cell each and every night. You're a gaoler of the worst type. Perhaps you even deprived them of their freedom to leave the house and enjoy their leisure activities when they had chicken pox?

In fact from the article it's not clear whether the child was fed merely bread and water for all these days? Was their room furnished? Did the parents board up the bedroom door? Did they pay armed guards to prevent them leaving the room? Perhaps they shouted 'beware plague inside don't come close' for the entire duration of their imprisonement. I think we should investigate the implication of all these scenarios.

IMNOTSHOUTING

As I said above, preventing a child from leaving the house alone when they might be at risk is a parent’s legal responsibility. Confining them to a single room is not only not their legal responsibility, it is, in my opinion, an abuse of their position as a parent. So when you pretend those things are the same, all you are showing is that you don’t understand.

@flaviaritt
I'm relieved to know you don't force your children to stay in their rooms overnight. They're presumably free to wander the house. You're absolutely correct that keeping a DC under house arrest is totally different from confining them to their prison cell/comfortable bedroom. I still don't think you understand what liberty is though - your poor child is deprived of their freedom to wander the streets when the risk to them is very low. You clearly have no understanding of freedom at all.

My DD13 would be happy enough if she was able to dictate what and when she ate.

It would be a different story if she didn't have Wi-fi.

IMNOTSHOUTING

I understand it very well. Liberty is not an absolute. I don’t have absolute liberty as an adult. But there are limits to the extent to which you can deprive a child of theirs. Do you not agree with that? Do you think you can keep a child confined to a bedroom for however long you like?

@flaviaritt

Aaaaa I see so liberty is an absolute when it suits you but not otherwise. I think unless there are MH issues or SN involved you can have a sensible discussion with a 14 year old about staying in their room for a week or two. The vast majority of 14 year olds would be happy to do so. Keeping them in a room for a year would not be OK. It's very obvious a few days or a week absolutely is OK. Risking your own health because your teenager prefers to watch the big TV downstairs is downright stupid and not in the best interests of the child.

IMNOTSHOUTING

I never said it was an absolute and haven’t discussed it as if it is. I have said in my opinion this is an unacceptable breach of the child’s liberty. I have clearly said that there are some situations where a child must be confined, and you have seen that.

Why not a year? Surely if they have gadgets and you feed them it’s fine?

And as for “the vast majority would be happy”, that is completely irrelevant because I am talking about you compelling them, not them volunteering.

flaviaritt

I still don't where, in the article, it says that the girl was forced to stay in her room, yet you seem to believe that she was right from the start why?

Again I refer you to your post on page 2.

I actually agree. It’s imprisonment

I'm curious as to how, based on the information contained within the article, you came to this conclusion, despite having no evidence to suggest it to be the case.

@flaviaritt

OK you're obviously insane. If you insist your teenagers stay in their bedroom overnight why not a year? If it's OK for their safety overnight why is it not OK for a day? In fact if it's OK to strap a toddler into a car seat for an hour why is it not OK to keep them in for a month? Do you not understand that a few days in a room is fine but a year isn't? You are monumentally ridiculous.

trappedsincesundaymorn

You can continue to argue in a fashion that ignores my clear, actual view as stated over 15 pages, but what’s the point of that?

IMNOTSHOUTING

I understand that you think that. Do you understand that I don’t?

It's amazing what constitutes abuse in some people's minds. The young person was probably not banging on the door screaming to get out. They presumably had the benefits a lot of teens enjoy. Such a internet, gaming, social media, music etc. It was 4 days to protect family members and prevent spread. Non issue in this day and age. Personally know a 13 year old who had to isolate like this for a couple of weeks to protect himself as he was a transplant patient

@flaviaritt Yes we all understand that you don't, the point was that all your arguments are ridiculous, which you seem to now have realised because you've given them up. The vast majority of teenagers would be absolutely fine with this arrangement.

You can continue to argue in a fashion that ignores my clear, actual view as stated over 15 pages, but what’s the point of that?

Honestly, your view is not clear. As evidenced by how many people you claim to not understand it.

@flaviaritt

trappedsincesundaymorn

You can continue to argue in a fashion that ignores my clear, actual view as stated over 15 pages, but what’s the point of that?

You haven't been clear at all. I asked what led you to draw the conclusion that the girl was imprisoned in her room based on the article, which you haven't answered. How is that arguing?

IMNOTSHOUTING

I haven’t given anything up. Why not a year?

trappedsincesundaymorn

Because you are ignoring what I have said: IF she was not allowed to leave.

Why not discuss that?

Because you said

*I actually agree. It’s imprisonment

You are now implying that you have only ever said

IF she was not allowed to leave

You have done so many mental gymnastics trying to prove your point that you now make no sense at all. .

trappedsincesundaymorn

It does make sense. You don’t want to respond to the substance of my argument so you are now going to pretend you are confused. How silly.