Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

planningaheadtoday

Was your 14 year old told they had to isolate in their room, or asked to do so? How long for?

Was she imprisoned? No. Was she isolated? Yes. Was it hard? Yes, probably. In a situation where someone is positive, is it worth it?

Well, what's the alternative? She mixes with her parents, her siblings. They then go out to work, or out on public transport, or out to shops. One person can infect many more.

I spent a long time working for the NHS. I am shocked and saddened by what is happening here.

The possible long term effects of this really concern me. We know it can attack the lungs, heart, kidneys, brain. There are emerging studies showing high percentages of people receiving psychiatric diagnoses following Covid. There are studies showing heart inflammation. There are studies showing people many months on still struggling to have a normal quality of life. It looks like an emerging auto-immune disease. A lot of viruses have links with this kind of illness.

The vaccines are relatively near. They may start rolling them out in the NHS in nine days time now. Things will be looking significantly different after February. Can we not just hang on until then?

I don't really understand how people are underestimating this. There is so much high quality evidence out there.

I also think if anyone thinks that spending four days in a presumably nice room - wealthy family - with food and drink brought to you, along with all of the trappings of a wealthy teenage girls room is suffering, they really have no idea of what goes on in the world. Really no idea. Of course it is difficult. But spreading it to other people is worse. You have no idea if someone spreads it to family members who then pass it on to someone who is extremely vulnerable. You just don't know. And this is exactly why it has dragged on as long as it has. I would've thought people would want this to be over, not to be stuck in a never-ending cycle of lockdown/re-open. If you are mixing with people when you know you're infected (which is essentially what you're advocating for) that is exactly what makes this go on and on and on.

Okey dokey
I obviously got the wrong end of the stick.
Enjoy your debate flaviaritt.

Was she imprisoned? No

If she was disallowed from leaving, she was imprisoned. You can keep saying otherwise, but it’s the reality of the situation. It is not okay. We don’t have the right to keep people in single rooms for days at a time. They’re not property.

oh well, I was imprisioned by my dm all those years ago, I was not allowed to leave the my room (could use the loo obviously) or the house while my dm thought I was contagious with chicken pox, (cos some people can be really ill with it, right?) strangely she thought it was the right thing to do to stop me infecting other people.

The fact that I was warm, safe, loved and cared for makes no fucking difference hey?

@flaviaritt we had to isolate as they were coming home from an unsafe contact.

They had a good section of the house to themselves so could get snacks, had facilities and rooms. Also their own access to outside for exercise and meeting in the garden for meals each day and evening as we lit and heated an outdoor lounge area.

We just tried to keep it as safe as we could. We have communication devices (normally) in all the rooms too so they could chat to us, as they do all the time, at any point.

It was the best we could do until we knew it was safe for our CEV household members.

The fact that I was warm, safe, loved and cared for makes no fucking difference hey

It makes no difference to the fact that you were imprisoned.

Skybluee - looks like my main long term complication is high blood pressure. It spiked dangerously high, despite having no issues previously. I'm now in long term medication to keep it stable. Even then it's still higher than it should be. Chances are I'll be needing this for life. Also after having ablation for SVT last year and my heart being fine I now, 7+ weeks in, get a high heart rate (130-170) just from walking up the stairs. Im hoping the breathlessness whichnacocmpaniesmthismwill abate in time.

But yes, the long term issues coming out are a concern and, even in non vulnerable people, they are emerging.

They had a good section of the house to themselves so could get snacks, had facilities and rooms. Also their own access to outside for exercise and meeting in the garden for meals each day and evening as we lit and heated an outdoor lounge area.

It’s not quite the same, that, is it?

It makes no difference to the fact that you were imprisoned.

😂😂😂

@flaviaritt

Damn straight 14 year old me would have locked myself in my room if I'd thought I had covid.

That’s lovely. And is what “self-isolating” means.

From the article,

The PR company director, from Maidstone, Kent, said his two children, aged 14 and nine, were both sent home from school to self-isolate and he was unable to work

I'm confused. She was told to self-isolate, so stayed in her room, which by your own admission is "what “self-isolating” means". So where does imprisonment and being forced to stay in her room come into it?

Imprisonment : to confine in or as if in a prison.*
Solitary confinement :* the confinement of a prisoner in a cell or other place in which he or she is completely isolated from others.

These are official definitions.

A 14y in their bedroom with the internet and more at their finger tips, with family close by, even at the door way, is not actually solitary confinement, nor is it truly imprisonment.

The likelihood of the teenager being formally barred from leaving their room is minimal after all.

Having worked in a prison, including with those in solidarity confinement, it doesn't even come vaguely close.

I'm confused. She was told to self-isolate, so stayed in her room, which by your own admission is "what “self-isolating” means".

I am referring to the “self” part of “self-isolating”. The law says you have to stay in your house. Whatever I think of that, it’s the law. The law does not say you have to stay apart from your family or remain in one room. If you want to do that, that is a further self-isolation from others. If you are forced to do that, you are being imprisoned by other members of your household. That is NOT self-isolation.

Aragog

What do you mean, “official definitions”?

A 14y in their bedroom with the internet and more at their finger tips, with family close by, even at the door way, is not actually solitary confinement, nor is it truly imprisonment.

It is absolutely imprisonment, if they are not allowed to leave. That doesn’t have to be physically forced.

@flaviaritt

I'm confused. She was told to self-isolate, so stayed in her room, which by your own admission is "what “self-isolating” means".

I am referring to the “self” part of “self-isolating”. The law says you have to stay in your house. Whatever I think of that, it’s the law. The law does not say you have to stay apart from your family or remain in one room. If you want to do that, that is a further self-isolation from others. If you are forced to do that, you are being imprisoned by other members of your household. That is NOT self-isolation.

Right so can you point me to the piece in the article that says the girl was forced to stay in her room? If you can't then you cannot claim she was imprisoned as it may have been her choice to further isolate.

If you can't then you cannot claim she was imprisoned as it may have been her choice to further isolate.

I can claim exactly what I have claimed: IF it wasn’t her choice, she was imprisoned.

But at no point ever in that article does it suggest she was forced to do so. You've added that part purely for your own agenda.

'As if in prison'
Even the most complaining of teenagers would struggle to argue that their bedroom full of gadgets and comforts was 'as if in' a prison cell.

But at no point ever in that article does it suggest she was forced to do so. You've added that part purely for your own agenda.

I have said IF. And you know it.

@flaviaritt

I actually agree. It’s imprisonment.

From page 2 of this thread. No "if" there.

bedroom full of gadgets and comforts

Either something has gone very wrong with our understanding of what liberty means and how it feels, or there are just some very dense people on this thread.

Phones and Alexa and headphones aren’t freedom. It isn’t okay to imprison a person, negating their agency and restricting them to four walls for an indefinite period of time (even for what you believe are solid reasons) and then say “But they have gadgets.”

Yes but WHY have you insisted on making up an extra scenario to the article?

That's the bit I don't understand. It in no way even suggests that was the case! Not even slightly.

You have just made up an extra strand to the reported story which then tries to make out that the parents were forcing a young girl to not leave her room.

The story is just that the teenager had to self isolate. In line with the guidelines that means stating away from other members of the family where possible, especially if any are vulnerable.

This family were simply reporting that the invalid results mean there daughter was having to stay away from family for longer than was necessary, not that they were forcing her to never leave her room or speak to anyone in the household.

there are just some very dense people on this thread.

I couldn't possibly comment

Yes but WHY have you insisted on making up an extra scenario to the article?

Why do people ever explore the implications of more than one scenario and say “if X then Y”?

You have just made up an extra strand to the reported story which then tries to make out that the parents were forcing a young girl to not leave her room.

And no, I haven’t. The OP posed this scenario and I responded with an opinion.