Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

@flaviaritt

Aragog

I believe - and you don’t have to agree - that the article implied the child was alone in the room and food was left outside. But even if that wasn’t the case, I still do not think it is okay to make the child stay in one room for several days. I don’t care if you don’t agree.

As I said - my food was left outside my door too. That did not mean no one spoke to me or interacted with me. Two entirely different things.

And let's be honest, by the time someone gets a positive test (once you factor in being contagious before symptoms, time taken to get a test after symptoms, and then time for results) they will have almost certainly spread it to people in their household anyway!

@flaviaritt, we just lived in a normal family setting with the usual comings and goings, other people coming in and out, you know, like grandparents (who bought me biscuits, not those hard dry ones you expect in soliatry but nice cream ones to cheer me up), friends of mums who came for a cup of coffee (quite nice I imagine if you are stuck at home with a new baby and a sick teen) it really wasnt that much of a hardship for me but now you have given me an idea for the christmas row I am going to berate my dm for locking me up and causing untold harm to me when I had chicken pox

🤷🏻‍♀️ I think it would have been much better to put the baby somewhere quiet and safe, and not isolate a teenager in her room for a fortnight. You don’t have to agree.

Alone? Or with the parent recovering from a C-Section with two other children to care for?

@flaviaritt you do? Because the definition of imprisonment is the act of being put in prison - this girl is not in a prison - so that completely negates your point.

OED defines it slightly more broadly: Put or keep in prison or a place like a prison.

If you think a teenage girls bedroom is like a prison, you are completely out of touch with the world.

So you have made up a whole different scenario just to match your argument.

I have not made up anything. I have said IF. And if you can’t understand a basic hypothetical, there’s not much hope for our discussion.

Nothing in the article suggests that the girl was 'imprisoned' in their bedroom with no interaction with her family.

Again, it doesn’t matter (to me) if there was “interaction”. It is not okay to tell a 14 year old they are not allowed to leave their room for 4 days.

Because the definition of imprisonment is the act of being put in prison - this girl is not in a prison - so that completely negates your point.

You can’t really believe this.

oh and btw, of course no 'wants' to stay isolated for days, we are just intelligent enough to know that sometimes you have to do things you dont much like.

Alone? Or with the parent recovering from a C-Section with two other children to care for

It’s not ideal. It’s better than forcing a 14 year old to be isolated in her room for two weeks. And if you disagree, that’s okay with me. Probably the mum could have done with some time in her room as well.

oh and btw, of course no 'wants' to stay isolated for days, we are just intelligent enough to know that sometimes you have to do things you dont much like.

Which is, again, completely different from being forced to do it.

There is no ground between. You are either compelled to do something, or not
Eh?
I have not compelled my dds that they must stay in their rooms, if they have symptoms or are positive for Covid.
We talked about what the various scenarios would be, way back in March, after ds's Learning Disability CAMHS nurse asked if we had a plan in place for what to do if dh and/or I got sick, if the dds were ill, plans for hospital passports and a bag packed if ds got sick....the dds agreed that if either of them were ill, then they would stay in their rooms - there was no element of being compelled.

But as with the mask argument, there seems to be this very black and white idea that if a young child wears a mask then they must have been forced...and now if an older child says they are ok with staying in their room whilst ill with a highly contagious virus, then they must have been forced.

If I remember rightly, your child is quite young (3?) so maybe that colours your view of this situation.

HazeyJaneII

I didn’t say you compelled them.

and now if an older child says they are ok with staying in their room whilst ill with a highly contagious virus, then they must have been forced

Nor did I say this. When your debating mechanism is simply to pretend that your opponent said something they didn’t, something has gone wrong, hasn’t it?

@flaviaritt

Because the definition of imprisonment is the act of being put in prison - this girl is not in a prison - so that completely negates your point.

You can’t really believe this.

Well yes, I do - seeing as it's the definition in the Oxford English dictionary, Cambridge etc. Do you just prefer to twist reality to meet your own definitions instead of widely accepted ones?

This is exactly how we get things like this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8808035/Covid-spread-girl-13-11-family-members-house.html

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6940e2.htm

I just think British people are largely selfish as fuck now to be honest. You don't get this kind of thing in a lot of other countries.

And the NHS, yet again, have to pick up the pieces.

You know the average age of a healthcare worker to die of Covid is 56 years old? And often, because people are so selfish, they are exposed over and over - and as the severity is linked to a culmulative exposure, they are the ones who suffer. Yet I bet you would be the first to go running to them if you contracted it and needed help after willingly exposing yourself - or not doing anything any reasonable person would do in order to mitigate risk.

Do you really not care about other people? Do you not understand this is a pandemic - something we haven't really seen on this scale for 100 years? Do you not understand what happens if/when the hospitals are overwhelmed? It is not so much a physical shortage of beds, it is more the staff. How would you feel if the ICU is full and your family is not able to access help for any accident - there are simply no ICU beds? Because that is the position we may well end up in with unmitigated spread like this.

Also the person that said if someone has a positive test they are fine to move within their household is completely wrong. The current NHS guidance is to self-isolate for a set number of days. This is to avoid it being passed on to family members, who then may pass it on to whoever they come into contact with.

skybluee

You believe you can only imprison someone in an actual prison? That’s hilarious.

Well colour me confused, because you seemed to be saying that the child in the article was imprisoned, and I'm not sure how you got there from what was written.

You also seem to be saying that a child either doesn't do something (leaves room/doesn't wear mask) or is compelled to do something - I'm saying that sometimes people do things they might not relish or enjoy, but crack on with because it is Doing the Right Thing (like shielding for a family member, wearing a mask, self isolating etc)

HazeyJaneII

You are indeed confused. Perhaps re-read. Your choice.

It’s not ideal. It’s better than forcing a 14 year old to be isolated in her room for two weeks. And if you disagree, that’s okay with me. Probably the mum could have done with some time in her room as well.

You didn't actually answer my question.

Or are you saying it's not ideal to leave a one month old baby alone but better the baby left than a fourteen year old isolating in their room?

My kids would do this by choice - in fact they do most days

My mum would have been extremely clinically vulnerable. Damn straight 14 year old me would have locked myself in my room if I'd thought I had covid.

Or are you saying it's not ideal to leave a one month old baby alone but better the baby left than a fourteen year old isolating in their room?

I am. I don’t think it’s okay to force a 14 year old to stay in their room for two weeks. A baby (with appropriate care and contact) won’t notice and is going to be asleep for much of the day at one month old.

Anyway, I can see you disagree. That’s okay.

Damn straight 14 year old me would have locked myself in my room if I'd thought I had covid.

That’s lovely. And is what “self-isolating” means.

*I am. I don’t think it’s okay to force a 14 year old to stay in their room for two weeks. A baby (with appropriate care and contact) won’t notice and is going to be asleep for much of the day at one month old.

Anyway, I can see you disagree. That’s okay.*

Oh good heavens, and you accuse others of lacking in parenting ability.

I would not have been able to leave any of my newborns, EBF, one hated the Moses basket so would only nap on me. Newborns also need interaction to form attachment. The teenagers on the other hand, as said previously, have the intelligence and the ability to comprehend the risk their baby sibling would be at if they caught chicken pox. As long as they were fed and had access to the Internet they would more than happily lock themselves in their rooms. Because they have compassion and empathy and the ability to see beyond themselves.

ILoveYou3000

But again, I am not talking about someone more than happily locking themselves in their room. I am talking about someone being told they have to do that.

Were you allowed to leave the house?

We had to do something similar in the summer as we have CEV in our household. But we made sure we ate twice every day outside and chatted. I think it's essential to have lots of contact for mental health.

In fact we saw more of the 14 year old during this time that we every did normally.

It's horrible to do this but as a family we had no choice and the child didn't want to be responsible for the infection of a vulnerable family member when others we know have died.