Doing this to a child is wrong

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BBC report : His said his 14-year-old daughter had not left her bedroom for four days, with meals being left outside her door, until the family learned the result was void on Thursday

This is so wrong to do to a child

Well the only person who is insisting that the teenager was told not to leave is you. The news story doesn't say that.

@flaviaritt

Since when did that statement equate to not talking to the child, telling her they loved her, checking on her wellbeing etc etc?

Talking to someone you are keeping prisoner on the other side of a door isn’t love and affection and I am not going to pretend otherwise.

Where does it say the door was closed?

You've made up an entire scenario which simply isn't based on anything that has been reported.

Clearly you didn’t read the nhs official advice.

The key word word there is 'advice'. Obviously I am aware of the fact that the option of isolating a family member is there. But given that we were all having to isolate anyway (so no chance of spreading it outside of our home) and none of us were vulnerable, i would never have bothered isolating anyone, it would have just caused more stress than the Covid!

So teachers telling children to stay in at break or after school for detention are imprisoning children in their classroom?

Where does it say the door was closed?

If you are leaving food outside the door, you are not interacting personally inside the room. You are putting food down for a person like they are a prisoner. Perhaps the door was open. It doesn’t matter.

So teachers telling children to stay in at break or after school for detention are imprisoning children in their classroom?

Yes they are. But they are doing that with a reasonable legal and moral authority. It is a temporary state, 15 minutes or an hour. Not several days at a time.

PurpleDaisies

And I can only assume that you wouldn’t keep a child back after school in a room on their own for four days. 🤷🏻‍♀️

bloody hell @flaviaritt, of course it wasnt 'disgusting'! My mum had just had a c section, had 2 other kids to care for and df was away on business, I was intelligent enough to get why she wanted me out of the way, frankly I imagine she was pretty pissed off she had to do it because I would have been useful to her! - I think most teens love their families enough to want to help protect them in cases like this and have the nouse to understand what is going on!

you are making yourself sound a bit daft!

@flaviaritt

Where does it say the door was closed?

If you are leaving food outside the door, you are not interacting personally inside the room. You are putting food down for a person like they are a prisoner. Perhaps the door was open. It doesn’t matter.

This is pure fiction. There is nothing whatsoever that indicates that the parents didn't interact with this child, whether it was when they took food up and collected the plates or at any other time. There is nothing about the act of taking food up and putting it a safe distance away the prevents whoever brings it from chatting to the recipient. Nor is there anything about that act that prevents them from chatting through an open door at any other time of day.

thebabessavedme

🤷🏻‍♀️ I think it would have been much better to put the baby somewhere quiet and safe, and not isolate a teenager in her room for a fortnight. You don’t have to agree.

Cygne

It doesn’t matter. It is still not okay to tell a 14 year old that they are not allowed to leave their room for up to ten days, or however long the negative test might have taken. I think the article is quite clear that interaction was kept to a minimum, but you don’t have to agree. It’s still wrong, even if the parent spoke to the child.

To say it is imprisonment is really offensive to anyone who has been in prison or who has actually had their freedom taken away.

Especially people who have undergone this for more than four days.

This is a pandemic. As others have pointed out, she could have had vulnerable family members, but even if not, after a positive test, to suggest they should be mixing freely is really sad. That is part of why we are in this position.

Flaviaritt

You seem to have created a whole extra story behind the original article and made it into something it most likely isn't.

At no point does the article say the child was barred from leaving her room.

At no point does it say that she was deprived of her family's notice or support.

Maybe, like many many teens, she actually understood what was going on, realised the fact that the best way to protect members of the family was to keep away from them and didn't actually want to put anyone else at risk. Maybe she chose to self isolate. Maybe the thought of infecting her vulnerable family made her choose this? Maybe she figured she'd feel a thousand times worse if she did pass it in to someone that she would say in her bedroom for a few days?

Why can't you see that this was most likely not something she was forced To do by evil parents? Why are you so insistent on trying to suggest that the family shut the girl under bedroom and told her she must not leave, refusing to even lay eyes in her, leaving her cut off from the rest of the world? Are you normally quite so dramatic over such matters?

Surely you must know that most teens spend a vast amount of time in their rooms voluntarily as it is, and for the majority of them 4 days in their bedrooms, full of their own possessions and fully able to communicate with their mates, wouldn't actually be that much of a trail anyway.

The fact that you're even trying to liken a teenager sat watching box sets and chatting to her mates via Snapchat for a few days in her room to a prisoner in a solitary confinement cell tells me that you you can't really be taking this serious tbh.

Having worked with those in solitary confinement in prison - not even vaguely comparable, that's for sure!

To say it is imprisonment is really offensive to anyone who has been in prison or who has actually had their freedom taken away.

If you like.

This is a similar thing to the whole young children wearing a mask being child abuse thing.
There seems to be no ground between child not doing something and child being forced into doing something (wearing a mask/staying in their room)...when in reality there is a whole world of children being able to make a decision for themselves, or being willing to do something to help out others.

Also, you don't understand what imprisoned means if you believe this:

"So teachers telling children to stay in at break or after school for detention are imprisoning children in their classroom?

Yes they are. But they are doing that with a reasonable legal and moral authority. It is a temporary state, 15 minutes or an hour. Not several days at a time."

Aragog

Again, this is why I have used the word “it”. IF the child was not allowed to leave, that is imprisonment and it is therefore comparable to...imprisonment.

skybluee

I understand exactly what it means.

If you are leaving food outside the door, you are not interacting personally inside the room.*

Why aren't you?

In the hospital when I was in isolation my food and drinks were left in a trolley on the side. There were double doors. The trolley was between the two. Although it was left outside I was still able to interact with the lady bringing it. She stood at the door and had a chat, asked me how I was, asked me what I wanted to eat/drink, passed a few moments of pleasantries. She didn't enter the room, but we were still able to personally interact.

Seems to me that you don't really understand that interaction doesn't have to be stood/sat directly next to someone touching them,

There seems to be no ground between child not doing something and child being forced into doing something (wearing a mask/staying in their room)...when in reality there is a whole world of children being able to make a decision for themselves, or being willing to do something to help out others.

There is no ground between. You are either compelled to do something, or not. The first is wrong, the second isn’t. What “ground” do you think there is between those things?

but even if not, after a positive test, to suggest they should be mixing freely is really sad. That is part of why we are in this position.

No its not. Once a household member develops symptoms, the entire household has to isolate for 14 days in order to stop it spreading. This has been the rule since March.

The idea that someone 'mixing freely' in their own home is a terrible or 'sad' thing is really weird.

Obviously if there is someone within the household for whom Covid would be very dangerous, then it's different.

Well yeah flaviaritt I do like. I think you are really ignorant. This is a child who for all we know by her own choice wanted to stay in a room, with an internet connection, mobile phone most likely in it, her family outside providing her with food, water. She is not literally locked in with a bolt on the door.

I know many people who have been kept in hospital under the mental health act. One was in for seven months. She did not set foot outside the hospital for the first six months. This was all for not eating, and she never posed any risk to anyone else. So for six months she was kept in one place, lost her job, could have lost her home as a result - all freedom taken with no regard for the consequence or how it was handled.

So to compare a teenager staying in a room for four days with 'imprisonment' is really just showing a lot of ignorance about a lot of matters really...

Aragog

I believe - and you don’t have to agree - that the article implied the child was alone in the room and food was left outside. But even if that wasn’t the case, I still do not think it is okay to make the child stay in one room for several days. I don’t care if you don’t agree.

@flaviaritt

Aragog

Again, this is why I have used the word “it”. IF the child was not allowed to leave, that is imprisonment and it is therefore comparable to...imprisonment.

So you have made up a whole different scenario just to match your argument.

Nothing in the article suggests that the girl was 'imprisoned' in their bedroom with no interaction with her family.

This is a child who for all we know by her own choice wanted to stay in a room, with an internet connection, mobile phone most likely in it, her family outside providing her with food, water. She is not literally locked in with a bolt on the door.

And I think you can’t read. I have said several times, if the child wanted to be there, it’s not imprisonment.