To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

[loulou0987]

I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

There was a video of Jacinda talking about them saying people had to get tested in order to be let out of the isolation facility

Of course people would have to be tested if they are in quarantine/isolation, or what would be the point of them being there???? But hey, what would I know, I only live here

@SunflowerButterfly - I suggest you stop reading so much, don't believe everything you read, and just get out there and enjoy life for a while and stop trying to scare people who may be feeling a bit anxious and vulnerable. As I've already said, we are living a pretty much normal life here - and yet you are trying to convince people that our life is shit. I can tell you that the majority of people here are looking at the UK and thanking whoever they believe in that they don't live there.

I forgotten all about the birds needing their batteries changed! That seems about 10 years ago now! But also, strangely, only last week. 🤔This pandemic has its own rules of time, I tell ya!

@eaglejulesk

There was a video of Jacinda talking about them saying people had to get tested in order to be let out of the isolation facility

Of course people would have to be tested if they are in quarantine/isolation, or what would be the point of them being there???? But hey, what would I know, I only live here

@SunflowerButterfly - I suggest you stop reading so much, don't believe everything you read, and just get out there and enjoy life for a while and stop trying to scare people who may be feeling a bit anxious and vulnerable. As I've already said, we are living a pretty much normal life here - and yet you are trying to convince people that our life is shit. I can tell you that the majority of people here are looking at the UK and thanking whoever they believe in that they don't live there.

How patronising. And I suggest you do what you want, and I will do what I want thank you. Freedom of expression, remember. I never said things were terrible in NZ, only that I disagree with the authoritarian approach, which is doomed when you open your borders, unless you all stay locked up forever of course, which maybe you are happy with that, who knows.

@yjet

Sherri Tenpenny is a pseudo-scientist who encourages parents not to vaccinate her children. But you believe what she says because you think it makes you cool and alternative not to follow the mainstream. You follow propaganda too, just conspiracy propaganda dressed up as being anti-propaganda.

Next you'll be telling us that donald trump is using codewords to direct his followers to kill paedophiles or whatever the fuck qanon believe.

Sorry to disappoint you but I know very little about what Qanon believe, and have no opinion on Trump, other than that he seems like a narcissist who enjoys golf and going on sunbeds a bit too much!

Sherri is against vaccines it's true, and this is because she has seen a lot of vaccine injured children. The other doctors I mentioned have different views on vaccines. I listen to all of them and make up my own mind. Why the closed mindedness? Why are you so willing to believe say the BBC and not look at a broad range of sources?

Also, who said anything about being cool? I couldn't care less about being cool, it's very funny you would say that out of nowhere!

@SunflowerButterfly - and yet the majority of people appear to disagree with you, but you think you are one of the few who know "the truth". Who is being patronising now? As for all this following of scientists, and your research - you are cherry picking the ones who say the things you agree with. Unless you are trying to tell us that every scientist is saying the same thing of course, which patently they are not. Come back in a year and update us won't you - it will be interesting to see the results.

Vaccines are coming soon but in the meantime New Zealand doesn't need to open it's borders to everyone.

They have a competent government.
When they open up, it will be slowly, sensibly, and gradually.

Start with Australia and Asian Pacific countries.

They can bar entry from unsafe countries like the UK, and also the unvaccinated. They don't need us.

[quote eaglejulesk]@SunflowerButterfly - and yet the majority of people appear to disagree with you, but you think you are one of the few who know "the truth". Who is being patronising now? As for all this following of scientists, and your research - you are cherry picking the ones who say the things you agree with. Unless you are trying to tell us that every scientist is saying the same thing of course, which patently they are not. Come back in a year and update us won't you - it will be interesting to see the results.[/quote]
Gosh you're a piece of work aren't you. Can't you just accept that not everyone agrees with you? I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, as long as they do so respectfully and without being aggressive or patronising, which interestingly on the topic of covid, never seems possible. It turns people into vile screechers who cannot abide by an even slightly different opinion.

As stated several times, I am not some foreteller of The Truth, I just don't believe the mainstream media after I noticed them using familiar manipulation tactics, so I started doing my own research. The doctors, scientists and journalists I have listened to don't all agree at all, they have a wide variety of views. I just listen and keep an open mind. If I am wrong, I would be delighted!! It's not like I want a massively depopulated technocratic dystopia to unfold, but since things seem pretty dystopian right now, I think it's absolutely sensible to be aware of everything that is going on, rather than just comforting yourself and burying your head in the sand.

This is a thread asking people about conspiracy, so I have calmly and respectfully stated my views, so you following me around the thread attacking my posts and telling people I'm wrong is frankly ridiculous. I couldn't care less what you think, I'm just offering my opinion as part of the discussion. I suggest you take your own advice and get outside and live your life rather than trying to force your opinions down people's throats.

The truth will out and you know what, if you're right, I will be delighted!! I don't care about being right, I care about finding out the truth, whatever that may be.

eaglejulesk is right.

In order to believe these conspiracies you have to assume that the articles that say things you like are true, and the articles you don't like are lies. The fact that these "lies" are on all credible platforms merely adds to your sense that it's All Part Of The Plan and you can't believe anyone because they're all in on it.

Better to believe the anonymous, the outliers and those who will always, always take the minority view in any argument because, well they just do.

"Mainstream" used to be synonymous with credibility, moderate, trusted. For some reason in 2020, largely in my view thanks to Trumpism, "mainstream" now seems to connote brainwashing, propaganda and corruption. I hope, like Trump we see the end of this damaging phenomena where people have been steered towards not believing the truth.

27SunflowerButterfly

SheepandCow

So many people only get their information from the mainstream media

I get mine from the experts. Scientists and doctors - from around the world.

The British Medical Association, SAGE, the World Health Organisation, etc.

I highly recommend people start with Professor Devi Sridhar. Calm and intelligent explanations.

These people are all on the same person's payroll, a person who is set to make billions from selling his vaccine. So I instead listen to independent scientists, doctors, researches and journalists who are telling the truth about what is happening, and getting censored and even arrested for doing so. I highly recommend researching:

Prof Sucharit Bhakdi
Prof Dolores Cahill
Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Dr Mike Yeadon

You sound like a relative of mine. A quick Google into the educational and employment background of these people tells me that while they may be experts in their own fields, none of them are experts in the topics they are addressing. It appears from reading letters they have written and articles published that they are taking information out of context, twisting, misrepresenting and adapting the narrative to fit their agenda.
Maybe you need to research them further than you already have.

Sunflower, the problem comes when people try to "disagree" with facts.

We can't disagree that Elizabeth II is the Queen, or disagree that today is Sunday. But some people seem think that they can disagree that Joe Biden won the election or that vaccines are safe. These things are provable.

Some things, such as the benefit vs cost of lockdowns are up for debate, as the full impact won't be known until all this is over, but some of the conspiracies are evidently false and damaging.

@SuperbGorgonzola

Sunflower, the problem comes when people try to "disagree" with facts.

We can't disagree that Elizabeth II is the Queen, or disagree that today is Sunday. But some people seem think that they can disagree that Joe Biden won the election or that vaccines are safe. These things are provable.

Some things, such as the benefit vs cost of lockdowns are up for debate, as the full impact won't be known until all this is over, but some of the conspiracies are evidently false and damaging.

The issue is, people like you think of opinions as facts. Joe Biden for example, has not been officially declared president, only the media has declared him to be president, so you provided a really good example of my point there.

@littledrummergirl

27SunflowerButterfly

SheepandCow

So many people only get their information from the mainstream media

I get mine from the experts. Scientists and doctors - from around the world.

The British Medical Association, SAGE, the World Health Organisation, etc.

I highly recommend people start with Professor Devi Sridhar. Calm and intelligent explanations.

These people are all on the same person's payroll, a person who is set to make billions from selling his vaccine. So I instead listen to independent scientists, doctors, researches and journalists who are telling the truth about what is happening, and getting censored and even arrested for doing so. I highly recommend researching:

Prof Sucharit Bhakdi
Prof Dolores Cahill
Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Dr Mike Yeadon

You sound like a relative of mine. A quick Google into the educational and employment background of these people tells me that while they may be experts in their own fields, none of them are experts in the topics they are addressing. It appears from reading letters they have written and articles published that they are taking information out of context, twisting, misrepresenting and adapting the narrative to fit their agenda.
Maybe you need to research them further than you already have.

Or is it perhaps you who needs to research who funds SAGE, the WHO, Neil Ferguson, John Hopkins University, Imperial College London, the BBC and The Guardian? Do you not think it's at least slightly suspicious that all of the doctors and media outlets pushing for masks and vaccines are all on one person's payroll, whereas the doctors disagreeing with this are on a variety of different payrolls/self employed etc? Why is it that any doctor who questions masks, vaccines, social distancing and lockdowns is called a quack, when they were previously respected? Why are we all only allowed to think one thing?

The one I heard was when this started we were heading for a world war that could have been the war that ends everything. The pandemic made countries all focus on a common enemy.

Sunflower how would you deal with the current pandemic then? Putting aside conspiracy theories how would you prevent the tsunami of deaths and overwhelming the nhs?

@laudemio

Sunflower how would you deal with the current pandemic then? Putting aside conspiracy theories how would you prevent the tsunami of deaths and overwhelming the nhs?

When I first saw about the virus on the news back in January/February time, I was horrified by it and really scared. At the beginning, I was the person jumping out of people's way wearing a scarf over my mouth. I'm embarrassed by that now, but I had got terrified by the news, seeing people drop down in the streets etc (which interestingly, has never happened anywhere else). I was having panic attacks about it and washing all my groceries! And then, someone said "It's the media, stop watching the news." They asked me would I know there was a pandemic if it wasn't for the media, and I realised they were right. I went on a new diet for 5 days and realised how sensationalist and fear mongering it had been, and stopped watching it entirely, and started looking at a wide range of different sources to try to get different opinions on what was happening rather than the one sided 'everyone be terrified, we're all going to die!!!!' narrative the media was pushing.

Even back then when I was genuinely scared, I never believed in doing a lockdown, and was horrified that the UK chose to do one, because we live(d) in a democracy that doesn't do things like lock people in their houses or put drones on dog walkers in the middle of nowhere and shame them for 'non essential travel.' I knew then something was seriously wrong.

My view has always been that we should protect the vulnerable as much as we can, whilst including them in their own decisions about their own life ie no enforced nursing home isolation. If staff can visit nursing home residents then so can their families. It horrifies me no end how there are all these imprisoned elderly in nursing homes banned from seeing their family, dying deaths of isolation. I know if I was 80, I'd still want to lead a full life and if I died of a virus then so be it, at least I still had quality of life up to death. What kind of quality of life is it being locked up indefinitely 'for your safety?'

I would then encourage the rest of the population to live life as normal which would enable herd immunity to happen, whilst ensuring the NHS is properly funded to actually care for people including all illnesses, not just covid. We know covid responds well to certain treatment now, and that ventilators make it worse. With good funding, there is no need for the public to be locked up to 'protect the NHS.' I was in a hospital this week and it was virtually empty.

Typo correction: *News diet

Talk Radio has been good at interviewing different scientists with a range of views, here is an interview of scientist Ivor Cummins talking about how hospitals are currently normal in terms of respiratory illnesses:

and here is Professor Sunetra Gupta, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at the University of Oxford, before anyone tries to say she's a quack. She is against lockdowns:

@SunflowerButterfly. 🦇💩

None of Australia is in lockdown. Victoria had the largest community spread and so had the harshest lockdown but has now recorded 0 new cases, 0 deaths and 0 community transmission so are no longer in lockdown. There are no areas where you’re not allowed to walk your dog. South Australia had a scare last week and went into severe lockdown for 5 days to track and trace and contain it... which they did. They are now Covid free again.

We’re living normal lives here. We went to the cinema, a restaurant and a bar last night. We saw Santa this morning and are packing to go on holiday next week. Our kids had their (packed) dance concerts last week and will have school graduation in two week’s time. We just can’t fly international. Other than that

[quote Furries]@SunflowerButterfly. 🦇💩[/quote]
It's interesting how people like you always have to resort to name calling, insults and abuse when challenged on your views. I wonder why that could be

My partners uncle and aunt have recently tried to push the theories that covid doesn't exist, masks cause illness, the republicans were victims of voter fraud, they attended freedom marches, they tried to claim drinking colloidal silver is good for you, that the vaccine shouldn't 'be mandatory' and then couldn't give a reason as to why the vaccine would be bad, that rudy guilliani is a Saint ect. The list could really go on. But what was most insulting as someone whose family has died of covid plus another condition, the family tried to essentially call me a liar and man's plain my own degree and experiences to me. Are there truly people out there who live like that? And yes I tried to defend they wouldn't even let me talk, and I would be happy to defend each point to yourself (even though it only takes a basic Internet search.)

@Justhereforthepopcorn

None of Australia is in lockdown. Victoria had the largest community spread and so had the harshest lockdown but has now recorded 0 new cases, 0 deaths and 0 community transmission so are no longer in lockdown. There are no areas where you’re not allowed to walk your dog. South Australia had a scare last week and went into severe lockdown for 5 days to track and trace and contain it... which they did. They are now Covid free again.

We’re living normal lives here. We went to the cinema, a restaurant and a bar last night. We saw Santa this morning and are packing to go on holiday next week. Our kids had their (packed) dance concerts last week and will have school graduation in two week’s time. We just can’t fly international. Other than that

Well thats great! I'm genuinely happy for you and I hope it stays that way because that's how humans should be living. I was horrified to what happened to the Victorians and spoke to many of them online who were suicidal. I'm just wondering what will happen when the borders reopen, as that is the problem with the 'zero covid' policy.