To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

[loulou0987]

I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

*Aim

All I see is
Open your mind
Think for yourself
Think critically
Do your research
Stop being sheep

Yet they don’t appear to have any information about what they’re talking about

You can’t argue with stupid.

Well I know that in New Zealand they remove people from their home for testing positive (despite the very high inaccuracy rate of the test) and put them into quarantine isolation camps, and unless they agree to repeated tests to get a negative result, they are not allowed out. I'm personally horrified by such a totalitarian approach. The virus is now endemic, because it was not contained upon discovery, so all of us should be trying to live with it. What happens when they open their borders? Or are they just going to keep them shut?
I know that some of these countries already have authoritarian governments and mass surveillance, so they wouldn't need to use covid to implement this. See China's social credit system but not before bed as it is rather nightmarish.
Because of fear, the UK population and other so called democracies have been convinced to give up our freedom of movement, association, freedom to earn a living, to live with being tracked and traced and sent into complete isolation where we can't even leave the house if we test positive, small businesses have been destroyed, millions are now unemployed, there is no fun or much to live for that feels like normal human behaviour anymore. People in democracies would not have agreed to this unless they had been convinced that covid was a super mega killer that would wipe everyone out. Now we know that covid is not the plague it was marketed as, why are we all still locked down? Why is there no sign of change? Why do they keep moving the goalposts?

@Whoopsmahoot

You can’t argue with stupid.

I assume you are referring to yourself with this nice post of yours.

@SunflowerButterfly I think your last point is what is so confusing about all this. I also saw/read that someone in the Conservative party was saying even years after the vaccine we may still wear masks?! Why
Having said that, I have a friend in Oz who posted a pic a couple of weeks ago at a normal football stadium game with his daughter, sat next to others, no one with a mask..normal life really. It looked so odd to me but also fantastic. If there was a worldwide plan, as a previous poster said, how are they almost back to normal?

[quote Nomoreboobs]@SunflowerButterfly I think your last point is what is so confusing about all this. I also saw/read that someone in the Conservative party was saying even years after the vaccine we may still wear masks?! Why
Having said that, I have a friend in Oz who posted a pic a couple of weeks ago at a normal football stadium game with his daughter, sat next to others, no one with a mask..normal life really. It looked so odd to me but also fantastic. If there was a worldwide plan, as a previous poster said, how are they almost back to normal?[/quote]
Well I guess we'll have to see what happens, but I know that parts of Australia are in such a severe lockdown, they banned dog walkers. From what I understand, the whole state of Victoria has been signed up to become a Smart City, another topic to research.

I don't believe they have any intention of giving us our rights and freedoms back, or saying masks are no longer necessary. But they won't do it all at once, notice how they implement restrictions, then ease them, then implement them, then make them stricter, then ease them, until things gradually keep getting more restricted. Boris has now said about 'freedom passes' which in my mind is totally horrific, because it means the default is that we are no longer free citizens, but must 'earn' our freedom by submitting to tests and vaccines. Not exactly my body, my choice is it.

I'm currently in a different country, usually resident in the UK. From outside, the restrictions and rules being imposed in the UK seems completely bonkers. I agree with PP and attributing all this to incompetence, but can see how many of the ripple effects of it can be used for self-promotion. I am not planning on getting the vaccine, and find it scary that so many personal freedoms might be on the line for something that has 9 months of research and testing behind it.

Also, I'm not meaning to scare you. I was terrified when I first read about these topics, but I'm glad I did, because if it happens then I'm prepared. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying this is my view after spending time researching because I knew something felt very off to me at the start. I've also studied coercive control, manipulation, psychological abuse and psychopathy in the past (after encountering a psychopath) and I noticed the media was using a lot of these techniques, which furthered my suspicion.

I have extended family in NZ.
They are NOT going around removing people from their homes (unlike the ambulances and undertakers doing that in the UK).

And there's no 'quarantine isolation camps'! 99.9% of New Zealanders strongly support their sensible containment measures, i.e. restricted borders.

They voluntarily have tests if necessary - which isn't often because they've successfully contained it.

They have quarantine for international arrivals, yes. Perfectly nice hotels with all the food and other essentials they'd need.

They, unlike us, really do have freedom. Freedom to live a mostly normal life in safety.

@SunflowerButterfly But the thought that all governments, doctors, media etc would comply with this just for money, if the future was to be so horrendous? How can that be, surely there’d be plenty of whistleblowers?
If this is the case, there will be mass unrest, people can’t live like that. What is the point to them of us living with masks on for no reason 🤷🏻‍♀️
It’s true that many times when you query these things, you are told to ‘Find out yourself’ which is bizarre.
I’m interested though as I’ve felt something hasn’t been right since a few weeks into this and now you’d assume there would be a gentle easing off. They’re also bringing in all the points about ejectric cars and so on

Well I know that in New Zealand they remove people from their home for testing positive (despite the very high inaccuracy rate of the test) and put them into quarantine isolation camps, and unless they agree to repeated tests to get a negative result, they are not allowed out.

There are no community cases in NZ. If someone does test positive (and we are talking about very few people) they do not "remove people from their home", they are asked to go to a quarantine facility, where they get every care available. In the meantime we are all out and about, not a mask in sight, the shops, cafes, restaurants are full and people are looking forward to Christmas (and the summer holidays). How's that going in the UK?

Because of fear, the UK population and other so called democracies have been convinced to give up our freedom of movement, association, freedom to earn a living, to live with being tracked and traced and sent into complete isolation where we can't even leave the house if we test positive

But loads of people don't even burger following the advice eg isolating so it's not much of a plan.

@SheepandCow - you beat me to it!!!

Also, in some countries now, top lawyers and courts are starting to query things, so they’re obviously not in on it then? They could take the lead to unearth all this.Sorry for all the questions! It’s fascinating but also frightening.
Is there a connection to Trump also?
I just wish life was as simple as it was this time last year

Sorry @eaglejulesk

It's always good to hear from people actually in the places discussed.

Yes it’s reassuring to look at NZ, Oz etc as of there was a plan, where could theirs go from here if there’s now very few cases and no mask wearing 🤷🏻‍♀️
Is the vaccine nearly ready for those countries also? Has there been talk about it being mandatory?

There was a video of Jacinda talking about them saying people had to get tested in order to be let out of the isolation facility, and another video from an NZ politician talking about people getting removed. If I can find them again I'll post them.

You have to research it yourself because there is a lot to research but research but I share the data and information wherever I can. I personally had no trouble researching it myself because I was very curious and felt like the media was gaslighting me. A lot of it get removed if it doesn't fit the 'lets lockdown forever and get vaccines' narrative.

@yjet

Also, I'm not meaning to scare you

Bullshit, you love scaremongering.

Watching random videos from youtube conspiracy channels is not research.

Nope, I love the truth, so I search for it. It's true the truth is scary, but it's better than comforting lies.

@Fuckingshifty

Was Covid 19 around in 2015?

Bit of research on this - a copy dated 2019 in the archives does not mention covid-19. It appears the list of notifiable diseases has been updated in 2020 but omitted to record as 'updated in 2020'.

Yes it’s reassuring to look at NZ, Oz etc as of there was a plan, where could theirs go from here if there’s now very few cases and no mask wearing
Is the vaccine nearly ready for those countries also? Has there been talk about it being mandatory?

I'm in NZ, and yes we should be getting the vaccine (hopefully) early next year, and no, it will not be mandatory.

@yjet

You don't giv a fuck about the actual truth, you get off on thinking you're special because you you know "The Truth" because of some anti-vaxer pseudo-scientist you saw on twitter, and now you gleefully spew it to convince people not to protect themselves from disease.

Fuck conspiracy theorists.

And there is the aggressive totalitarianism that always rears its ugly head in these discussions. I'm not on twitter, these are not pseudo scientists, they are current practicing scientists and doctors speaking out, and I don't ever state that I know The Truth, only that I do my own research rather than believing the mainstream media, which has been shown to have lied multiple times and only pushes one narrative.

If the MSM interviewed lockdown skeptics and had a balanced approach, I would watch it, but since it doesn't, I can only conclude that it's propaganda, as it is not balanced journalism.