To ask “what is the conspiracy?”

[loulou0987]

I have seen many times on social media, over the past week, people saying there is something else going on and the Covid rules are for a different reason entirely.
I just wondered if anyone truly believes the government have a different agenda for extending lockdown??

[quote Nomoreboobs]@Worriedaboutcovid19 That’s exactly how I feel, it definitely doesn’t feel right and more and more now. It also causes me huge anxiety too.[/quote]
@Worriedaboutcovid19
& @Nomoreboobs

+1

I just can’t comprehend it all.
My logical thinking brain is screaming at me that things don’t add up.

I get brain ache thinking about it in detail

Don't worry. It's all part of the transformation. Once you complete it and are fully bird, you'll feel great. Spread those wings and enjoy a good flying session to clear away the cobwebs. Just make sure you change the batteries once a week.

A friend told me to keep my vibration high and on the winter solstice to go outside and look up at the stars at night and absorb something that will do some sort of transformation jobby

She didn’t mention birds

Birds sound like fun though.

I love my friend. If only it was that simple

Sounds like a good date night. Holding hands, gazing up at the stars after a midnight stroll. Then home for some high vibrations...

@SheepandCow I don’t understand all your replies to a situation many are very anxious about. I’d love your confidence, then I could sleep at night! What is your perspective on what’s going on?

Anyone who's worked with the civil service, government or any large organisation would know that the organisations are not capable of large scale conspiracies.

Bulls#%t.

Hundreds of thousands of stolen children in Spain, the Magdalene laundries, the Inquisition, and at the risk of invoking Godwin's law?

@Worriedaboutcovid19

I dont know what the goal is. But something just feels really 'off about the whole corona thing.

I actually really really want to believe the government are being transparent and everything is as it seems. It really causes me anxiety to think otherwise.

However no matter how much I try to fully 100% believe in covid and all the measures in place, it just doesn't make sense or add up. Im a logical thinker. I dont do conspiracy theories. However I just can't shake the feeling that something about this just really isn't right.

I hope that my feelings are wrong and the conspiracy theories are all wrong and we go back to normal asap with no repercussions to our freedoms and rights.

What do you feel doesn't add up or make sense?

@Worriedaboutcovid19

I dont know what the goal is. But something just feels really 'off about the whole corona thing.

I actually really really want to believe the government are being transparent and everything is as it seems. It really causes me anxiety to think otherwise.

However no matter how much I try to fully 100% believe in covid and all the measures in place, it just doesn't make sense or add up. Im a logical thinker. I dont do conspiracy theories. However I just can't shake the feeling that something about this just really isn't right.

I hope that my feelings are wrong and the conspiracy theories are all wrong and we go back to normal asap with no repercussions to our freedoms and rights.

It makes me feel better that people get a sense of this.

Btw I have a contact who is often going on about “raising vibrations”. I’ve no idea what that means. She’s very anti lockdown and worries about the tech filled future but telling me to “raise my vibration” is not helpful!

For those who think ‘something’ is off have you considered that a large factor of that is that this is a situation that is wholly unique in living memory and there is nothing that can compare to its impact or length? Maybe that ‘off’ feeling is because you don’t know where to start processing reality.

I’m not claiming to have all the answers but it’s a bizarre and overwhelming time to be alive; it wouldn’t be unusual to struggle with processing it.

There are loads of batshit conspiracy theories going around on social media at present.

Usually the people sharing are not terribly intelligent and spout things like 'don't trust the government/big pharma/main stream media do your own 'research'. If you ask what research you are directed to various YouTube type videos. They then say it is 'true' because otherwise why would the videos keep being taken down! Face palm all of them

Why do some people have to be so unpleasant and nasty about others just because they may happen to have a different viewpoint.
There is definitely a real nastiness being shown by some.

I suppose its because things don't add up.

The way its presented youd think it was like ebola/plague but a lot of people don't even know they have it. Plus the statistics of weekly deaths from this year compared to the last 5 years show the usual amount of people have died in total?

Then there's the fact that covid deaths aren't actually covid deaths. People die of other causes and covid is put down. Its very normal in long term illnesses that pneumonia is actually what kills you in the end. However now its not pneumonia but covid? So the figures are actually really wrong.

Then the icing on the cake thats caused me the most anxiety is this..

I work in management in a major hospital. Our city was hit as one of the highest in the country with covid.
On the media and in the papers it was talking about how terrible it is in the hospital and how were crying out for resources.
Yet our hospital was actually empty. I am honestly not lying. We'd never been so quiet. Staff were begging for work and the minute we got a patient everyone was begging to be allocated them for something to do.
The days really dragged.

Yet the media said we were manic?!

That is when I suddenly stopped trusting the media.

To calm my anxiety I try to tell myself its just something to sell news? Sensationalise and all that. Thats there's no agenda behind it.

Then you go on social media and see conspiracy theorists and tbh I understand why they would think that when nothing is adding up.

When the media does actually speak to a protester they speak to someone batshit crazy, not someone with a rationale counter argument. Why?

Again, I really do not research or have interest in conspiracy theories. Never have.

But when your in a hospital actually managing beds and discharges then see something completely different being reported on national news you can't help but think.. wait a minute.. wtf is going on?

Then you start doubting everything you read after your own personal experiences.

Again, I want my anxiety and gut instincts to be completely wrong. I want every conspiracy theorist to be wrong. If I think about it then I get so overwhelmed and anxious. So I'm trying to avoid all things covid related. But its hard when it affects every single aspect of your life and future.

Worried “ When the media does actually speak to a protester they speak to someone batshit crazy, not someone with a rationale counter argument. Why? ”

This bugs me as well. I know a few protestors. They’re anti lockdown and anti the use of tech to do a Big Brother on our lives, some anti mandatory mask.

The only odd person they’ve reported meeting was someone who told them all health problems were due to dairy products!

But - admittedly I see very little MSM - but what I do see wants to undermine them every step of the way.

Leaving GPs and NHS out of contact tracing raised doubts for a lot of people, I think.

Oh, and declassified as HCID...Hmm.

@Worriedaboutcovid19 your gut instinct is not wrong. Of course none of this adds up. The cure is worse than the disease. The Global reset is not a conspiracy theory . ChArles talks about it . Everyone laughs and mocks the “conspiracy theorists “ but there are some truths among the theories .

Every pandemic brings conspiracy theories, no matter how many hundreds of years you go back.
There was a pandemic just after the telegraph was invented, they were out ripping down telegraph poles. Another time newly invented electricity was blamed. The Black Death, Jews and foreigners were targeted, cholera - made up so they can kill you and use your body parts for the newly invented dissection, or just a way to get rid of the poor, on and on.
I find the theory about putting chips in people hard to imagine when they couldn't even knock up some face masks, how on earth could they manufacture and distribute electronic chips when masks and gloves defeated them and we had to stitch up our own masks. Maybe somehow we could be tricked into a diy chio making course and inject them into ourselves.

@AcornAutumn

Worried “ When the media does actually speak to a protester they speak to someone batshit crazy, not someone with a rationale counter argument. Why? ”

This bugs me as well. I know a few protestors. They’re anti lockdown and anti the use of tech to do a Big Brother on our lives, some anti mandatory mask.

The only odd person they’ve reported meeting was someone who told them all health problems were due to dairy products!

But - admittedly I see very little MSM - but what I do see wants to undermine them every step of the way.

Leaving GPs and NHS out of contact tracing raised doubts for a lot of people, I think.

Yes! A lot of doctors in my hospital and the head pharmacist have raised so many important questions and discussion points. But for some reason they aren't ever spoken too by any mainstream resources.

My colleague said that the minute you try to start an open dialogue with any of the general public public they are instantly shot down and looked at in horror for trying to discuss any type of opposing views.

And my colleague isn't some random Labour worker or policeman.. hes an actual medical doctor! Yet even doctors are being shut down and not interviewed to get their views out there or ask any logical and rational questions.

All these things combined make my understand why people turn to conspiracies even if they are batshit. As people want answers and when they ask questions they are instantly mocked and shut down. So you have to find answers yourself and the only answers out there are conspiracies. Whether they are right or wrong .

Its concerning.

I have heard that it's a cover up for the Chinese but l couldn't follow the logic so switched off. I'm happy to listen to people's opinions but some people are batty.

Also heard that there are loads of positive tests because the tests were made in China and contaminated.

As for the death rate being the same...of course it isn't. Because people aren't spreading coughs cold and flu. Catching that when elderly is a pneumonia risk and that is one of the biggest winter killers of the elderly. Minimal mixing- less spread- fewer deaths

Professor Tim Spector of the Zoe app did a Mumsnet webchat today. He confirmed that the number of false positives is tiny. The number of false negatives on the other hand is around 30%.

Here's a conspiracy theory:
The anti vaxxers are being paid by the government. Their job is to put people off the vaccine - in order to cut down the queue. Their payment is... priority for the vaccine...

COVID-19 is at least 5 times deadlier than flu for hospitalized patients
www.livescience.com/amp/covid-19-vs-flu-deaths-hospitalized-patients.html

[quote Nomoreboobs]@SheepandCow I don’t understand all your replies to a situation many are very anxious about. I’d love your confidence, then I could sleep at night! What is your perspective on what’s going on?[/quote]
@Nomoreboobs - I would say that a lot of people are anxious. And, though you may have alluded to it, I don’t think that Sheep is being flippant - or necessarily confident.

I would probably suggest stepping back from these types of posts for a few days. Give yourself a rest. There are so many changes/topics moving at a fast pace that it can be overwhelming to try to keep up with.

All I can say is the following.

I completely understand that SO many people want life to get back to normal. To see our loved ones, to try to resurrect jobs/industries/livelihoods, to go out and have flipping fun again!

On the other hand, I understand that lots of people will have reservations about the new vaccines. Part of those reservations I simultaneously understand but also get frustrated with - yes, they are her after “10months” so may seem rushed, but many many labs have been researching corona for years - held up by red tape/funding/delays between trials etc. This time, it’s been a global effort, no waiting for funds etc etc - this is how it’s proceeded much much faster than usual.

Not sure what your situation is, but I am on 3 medications for life-long illnesses (which currently mean I’m unable to work - a whole other story, but soul-destroying after building up my career). One is an injection and 2 are tablet form.

We all get tablets prescribed at some point in our lifetime. Do we all read those leaflets inside the box each time? There is a risk, however small, with every medication we take. I was more surprised when holidaying in the USA with various TV adverts that have a full “adverse/risk” disclosure on some of the most basic meds!

A new vaccine is definitely an unknown. But I will put my trust in the regulatory approval. I know of 2 people who willingly put themselves forward for trials on cancer treatments - I know it’s a very different category, but trials and volunteers are needed Otherwise how do we progress.

Am not sure where you would place yourself on the list for vaccine priority, but would probably guess you will be further down the list. As others have said, adverse reactions usually show up fairly quickly.

Take a bit of a break from these types of threads. Yes, there can be some healthy debate on them, but don’t take everything as gospel (including my post), but overwhelming yourself with the overly positive and overly negative posts will be exhausting. Maybe take from now until Christmas to focus on small, fun wins - and come back to researching online after with a less bamboozled mind frame.

[quote Michaelschofield]@Worriedaboutcovid19 your gut instinct is not wrong. Of course none of this adds up. The cure is worse than the disease. The Global reset is not a conspiracy theory . ChArles talks about it . Everyone laughs and mocks the “conspiracy theorists “ but there are some truths among the theories .[/quote]
Getting tired of this now. Yes, hold governments across a number of countries to account for failures in handling this. But equally, other governments have been more successful.

So, are the successful ones “in on” this reset process? Or is the whole world doomed no matter how they did?

Rather than posting random sound bites, please could you post your full understanding of this. And don’t be “predictable” enough to say “do the research, it’s all out there”. Research can throw up thousands of hits either way.

List your best bullet points (with back up for each point) so that others can be guided to credible information. Because I don’t want to be fumbling around the web (as, surely, it’s easy to be manipulated that way!?). So, if you can guide me - specifically - to where I need to look then please do so.

“ Do we all read those leaflets inside the box each time?”

You should. I’ve had a couple of meds changed before even starting to take them. Couple of risks and inter ruins minimised by the GP when there was a better alternative.

I think we need to encourage people to read the leaflets.

*interactions

Though inter ruins is a good phrase 😂

It's rather convenient that all the places people gather to talk and 'plan the revolution' are shut; pubs, cafes, meeting places. So most communications take place online and can be monitored and removed.
I hope tf Sunflowerbutterfly is wrong, but my understanding is that we are headed towards a total nightmare.