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The betrayal of a public sector pay freeze

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Ori3 · 26/11/2020 11:37

Yes, we're facing the biggest economic crisis since peacetime. Yes money has to be found. But as a first measure, why instantly freeze the pay of teachers, police, firefighters, council staff and civil servants; key-workers who have risked so much during the pandemic.

These are the people holed up in a room looking after 30+ kids per day, supporting vulnerable people in social care, helping businesses access the furlough scheme, supplying universal credit, dealing with household emergencies, and tackling an increase in demand for urgent care services.

And their reward for helping to keep the show going? The certainty of a pay freeze for the next however many years and a conciliatory pat-on-the-head as added bonus. It's a joke.

And the awful irony of it all is that these are the sectors that protect most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our society, alongside looking after the nation's kids. They're the ones gluing it all together. Shut the schools and you've got a crisis. Stop social care and you've got a crisis. Get rid of the police force = crisis. Oh and firefighters? Who needs them? Council workers? Well all they do is push pieces of paper around and refuse to answer calls?! Get rid of them too.

In the words of Fight Club's Chuck Palahniuk:

“Remember this. The people you're trying to step on, we're everyone you depend on. We're the people who do your laundry and cook your food and serve your dinner. We make your bed. We guard you while you're asleep. We drive the ambulances. We direct your call. We are cooks and taxi drivers and we know everything about you. We process your insurance claims and credit card charges. We control every part of your life.

We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we'll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won't. And we're just learning this fact. So don't fuck with us.”

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LadyLightning · 26/11/2020 22:47

Alicesweewonders - absolutely! Well said.

CayrolBaaaskin · 26/11/2020 22:51

I think anyone demanding or even expecting a pay rise at these times is very entitled. We are all going to face huge financial pressures to pay for Covid.

notheragain41 · 26/11/2020 22:54

@CayrolBaaaskin well not all of us, as always there will be those at the top of the ladder who will wriggle out of it, I don't see the government chasing down the likes of Amazon and Google to pay their fair share of tax to get us through this crisis. I'm sure there are a number of Tory donors who will remain untouched.

Hollowtree3 · 26/11/2020 23:15

@Snog. NHS payscales have all changed in Scotland certainly, now only 4 increments, then no increase. The majority are stuck at the ‘top’ of a band. And you need to take a new job to get on the next pay scale. You css as my move up bands in your current one no matter how hard you try,

Snog · 26/11/2020 23:16

@Possums4evr the incremental progression is annual for 6 or 7 years after the start date, that's not exactly just for the "new in post"

Hugglepuff3 · 26/11/2020 23:16

I work for the Public sector and , whilst a pay rise would have been great , we need to be realistic that , right now, the country can’t afford it . Even 1% rise for all public sector would be exorbitant and unmanageable . I appreciate my job security and the fact I have a job to actually go to. Having said that the money being spent on the car crash that is BREXIT, funding for HS2 and increased defence spending could definitely be used more sensibly in supporting the growth of the economy.

Snog · 26/11/2020 23:22

I absolutely don't think pay freezes for the public sector is the way to go but it's disingenuous to suggest that the majority of people won't benefit from incremental progression even if there is no cost of living pay rise.

I'd like to see heavy taxes on the super rich (uk is a tax haven for these people and I'd prefer for them to leave the UK if they don't like it) and for companies like Amazon Costa and the like to pay fair taxes.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/11/2020 23:40

@edwinbear

There are private sector workers also working 12-14 hour days and holding things together too you know? Bank call centre staff processing CBILs and mortgage extensions for example, travel industry staff trying to refund customers with zero money coming in. They are being rewarded by pay cuts, redundancies and not benefitting from 10-25% employer pension contributions. If the public sector were happy to have pay rises subsidised by a cut in their pension contributions that could work, but I doubt that's the case. They always have the option to leave the public sector and move to the private sector if they feel so aggrieved.
And those working in the private sector can always apply for a public sector job if it is so cushy. I always think that people that pit the public and private sectors together are a bit thick actually. The private sector depends heavily on the public sector both in terms contracts but for a healthy and educated workforce, a road infrastructure, a police force etc etc. But somehow those of us that work in the public sector (and I have worked bloody hard though this pandemic like I always do) are no better than scum draining the taxpayer. And yet it is the public sector that people of this country call on to step up and solve the problems when it all goes wrong.
Belladonna12 · 26/11/2020 23:42

I absolutely don't think pay freezes for the public sector is the way to go but it's disingenuous to suggest that the majority of people won't benefit from incremental progression even if there is no cost of living pay rise.

That's not true. Many people are stuck on the same payscale for years, particularly those who work part time (i.e. usually women).

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/11/2020 23:43

[quote Snog]@Possums4evr the incremental progression is annual for 6 or 7 years after the start date, that's not exactly just for the "new in post"[/quote]
This is old news mate.
I have worked in the public sector all my working life and whilst twenty years ago this may have been true in some areas of the public sector, the last two decades my pay scale was only three points - you start on one and then have an increment for two years DEPENDENT ON AN ANNUAL APPRAISAL.
In my current role there is no annual increment regardless of what pay scale you are on. Nada.
I fucking hate it when people present bollocks as fact.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/11/2020 23:44

@Alicesweewonders

Look at you all, debating over public Vs private sector pay, arguing whose more worthy and deserving.

Meanwhile the MP's will ( just as they did at the height of austerity) award themselves a payrise, waste millions on inadequate PPE & track/trace systems contracts that they dole out to their mates.

Throw the 'little people' a few scraps & watch them fight amongst themselves for it, just as this whole thread proves.

Public nor private is not the problem, our government is.

Absolutely this.
CayrolBaaaskin · 26/11/2020 23:49

@TheWordWomanIsTaken - emm right. The government is the problem? Not the fact we have bad to borrow huge amounts of money for Covid? Yeah right.

I’m no fan of the current government but we need to be realistic

Frazzledme · 26/11/2020 23:50

I don't know - I work for the public sector and haven't risked anything during the pandemic. Yes I've worked hard and full time but my pay is decent enough. I've been working from home since march and it's all been pretty comfortable. I appreciate not everyone in the same boat.

In march I was offered £4k more to work for a private sector company but turned it down for my role - I'm hugely grateful that I made the right choice as I'd have probably been furloughed if not worse - the offer was made a week before lockdown.

I think the government is terrible and pay should be better, but not so much for people like me - I think those on less than £20k a year should still be getting increases in all sectors.

LioneIRichTea · 26/11/2020 23:51

people working for the government enjoy safe well-paid jobs and everyone else works hard for less money to pay for them.

😬 !!!

Not sure whether to laugh, cry or be angry at this one. Right now I think it’s the latter.

I work for the MOD and me and my countless MOD colleagues, serving and civilian do a lot of hard hard work for the security of this country.

I am also paid peanuts, but it’s a good job I love my job ... and also have the respect of the public eh 🙄

Frazzledme · 26/11/2020 23:54

@edwinbear I agree and my experience of the public sector is that most people haven't got a clue what the private sector is like. I'd take the private sector culture any day (I feel like people are treated more like adults) but in terms of benefits and working conditions public is far better even if the pay isn't amazing.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 26/11/2020 23:59

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@TheWordWomanIsTaken - emm right. The government is the problem? Not the fact we have bad to borrow huge amounts of money for Covid? Yeah right.

I’m no fan of the current government but we need to be realistic[/quote]
Realistic about what? Large organisations (private sector) not paying their taxes but expecting an infrastructure to trade within?
I'm not sure why the OP started this thread tbh. It was always going to be a bun fight and divisive.
And yes, this government was the problem long before Covid.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/11/2020 00:04

Public pay and benefits should (more or less) track the private sector. I don't see how anything significantly different to that is either fair or affordable.

ThatsAllFolks · 27/11/2020 00:08

Many will get a rise, the lowest paid ones. I'm a public sector worker. A few years ago there was a freeze for many years. I'm ok to pay my part of it if MPs do

Raffie13 · 27/11/2020 00:10

Wow the teacher shaming continues.. 'sitting at home doing nothing'. I'm a college teacher and I can guarantee you I have worked flat out this year. It really does upset me how people feel the need to devalue certain professions. I could go on about this but I won't as this isn't what the post is about...

My opinion on the pay freeze is negative.
My DH did not go to college or university and doesn't need quals for his job. He brings home £100 less than me a month and Im a teacher with two degrees (my subject specialism and my teaching qual). As the living wage increases, the public sector barely increases and the gap is forever reducing between pay in 'normal jobs' on the living wage, and that earned by professionals. If this continues, where is the incentive going to be for people to work in these professions? Why take on the stress and extra responsibility of becoming teachers, police, social workers, firefighters and so on..when they could get similar pay elsewhere without the need to risk their lives/take on a high level of workload etc etc.

The public sector is truly a sector where people do what they do because they truly care about their role. The government take advantage of that by walking all over it knowing we will take it, and that's terrible.

Frazzledme · 27/11/2020 00:33

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chubbycheeks26 · 27/11/2020 00:34

Shut up OP

LioneIRichTea · 27/11/2020 00:47

The public sector is truly a sector where people do what they do because they truly care about their role. The government take advantage of that by walking all over it knowing we will take it, and that's terrible.

Yes 😔

StarryFire · 27/11/2020 04:28

Whether you support lockdowns or not (I don’t), they cost an inordinate amount of money in 1. government spending on things like furlough and business grants and 2. lost tax income from businesses closed and people unemployed.

The government has to make up for this somehow- lockdowns are not just a case of everyone stays at hike and lives happily ever after.

pincertoe · 27/11/2020 05:22

@shropshire11 Both my husband and I work in public sector jobs so both will be affected by this plan but I understand what you mean about parity between private and public sector.

What I do disagree with is you comment that private sector workers pay for all public sector workers. You do know we all pay the same taxes and NI and council tax don't you? So we ALL contribute to pay for the things society needs including contributing to our own salaries.

My big worry is that the government will use this as an opportunity to long term holt pay increases. When they first came into power we both worked in the NHS and we didn't get a pay rise for 5 years. Now that was tough going.

TheKeatingFive · 27/11/2020 07:20

Whether you support lockdowns or not (I don’t), they cost an inordinate amount of money in 1. government spending on things like furlough and business grants and 2. lost tax income from businesses closed and people unemployed.

The government has to make up for this somehow- lockdowns are not just a case of everyone stays at hike and lives happily ever after.

This. Print it on a placard or something.

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