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To think that Charles and Camila are actually an example of genuine love

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Noddyandbiggerears · 25/11/2020 21:58

Yes of course I feel sorry for Diana. Yes I think being a royal has a huge impact. But they let young and are now still together and seemingly happy in their 70’s, despite a lot of shunning, negative press, etc.

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Roussette · 27/11/2020 19:11

I'm certainly not mean or cruel to Camilla or would do her down for anything.
But the OP talks about it being some marriage to look up to, 'genuine' and a great example.
Errrmmmm NO.
They've been married 15 years. I've got more than double that on the clock and it didn't start off as a result of us both having an affair.
They will stick together obviously. Let's hope Camilla is braced for being in the limelight more when Charles is King, I bet she's dreading it.

PirateCatQueen · 27/11/2020 19:13

If that’s an example of genuine love, it’s not a good advertisement.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2020 19:15

(Diana) also knew she was regarded as a heifer by her own parent

Hideous wasn't it? Hmm And yes, I also remember that interview with horror

Given her young age, I can only think Diana lacked the maturity to consider it properly (or perhaps preferred not to, since that would have spoiled her fairytale)

derxa · 27/11/2020 19:24

Wow, after all these years, you have made sense of an experience of visceral disgust that I had listening to that man. I couldn't have imagined any man speaking of his daughter like that in public and thinking it was ok. So do you think she thought of herself like that too? If you're right, and I'm not doubting you, then this idea that she was a sweet little ingenue with romance in her heart is nuanced because she also knew she was regarded as a heifer by her own parent. Meaning that she must have full well been aware that PC had other women for the fun part of sexuality. Well... I think it was a mixture. Diana grew up as an aristocrat and in the country. She must have understood the idea of marrying someone from a 'good' family with bloodlines which could be traced back for centuries. However she was supposed to love Barbara Cartland's fiction and wanted true love. But she didn't exactly try to elope with Jim the gardener. Earl Spencer had a stroke before Diana married and this definitely affected his ability to express himself. I'm not excusing any of it but humans and their motivations are often complex. A strange coincidence is that Diana married Charles and her brother is called Charles.

Carol44 · 27/11/2020 19:32

I would be happy if my husband lived in another house with staff to look after him

derxa · 27/11/2020 19:37

(Diana) also knew she was regarded as a heifer by her own parent
My father probably valued his bulls and heifers higher than some humans. I've got oil paintings of a bull and cow that used to belong to my grandfather. They were painted by a London artist who specialised in this sort of portraiture. There were no oil paintings of humans in the family Grin

Roussette · 27/11/2020 19:40

derxa oh yes I know that!

Russellbrandshair · 27/11/2020 19:52

Actually I find Camilla stunning, also when she was young. Not chocolate box pretty or hollywood glam. She was clearly just very very sexy in that slightly horsey English way

Well good for you! I think she’s ugly AF. Both inside and out. I don’t have any obligation to someone who knowingly has an affair to gush about how beautiful and wonderful she is because I personally don’t think she is. I think she’s ugly inside and out and do is he.

I am not obliged to consider someone who exhibits crappy selfish behaviour to be beautiful but if you wish to that is of course- your choice.

derxa · 27/11/2020 19:55

Having said all the above, I am not ashamed to say I adored Diana warts and all. Today I watched the documentary on the seven days after her death on Netflix. I wept like a baby. For everyone involved. William and Harry. The Spencer family. And strangely enough I had a tinge of sympathy for Charles. He fought for her to come back to the UK in a dignified way and for her to have a decent funeral

Burynan · 27/11/2020 19:57

Totally agree with. "ComanderBurn..... I detest the pair of them and could not give a monkeys as to whether they are in love or not. They could have married at the time but no it did not suit her so she found someone else. He then went on to wreck Dianes life (sorry but he did not have to marry her and did not have the guts to be a man about it) Eventually she tragically died young, all his fault as his actions were responsible for her turning into the person she was instead of the personality she should have been. Then they have the gall to get back together publicly and flout their past relationship in a comfortable, sheltered lifestyle while Diane was sent to her grave.

lollylimejuice · 27/11/2020 20:00

Buryan..... you said it! I agree completely

Russellbrandshair · 27/11/2020 20:03

@Burynan

Exactly! Completely agree. I don’t get why we are supposed to adore camilla- what?! Because she’s royal? If I worked with a woman who behaved as she did I would think she was a shit too. The fact she’s now royal has zero to do with it. I presume the people making excuses for her also excuse Prince Andrew for his rapist connections too simply because “he’s royal! So it’s ok!”.
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Noddyandbiggerears · 27/11/2020 20:04

@Roussette oh I never said it was a great example. I just think that they went ahead and married despite such a lot of opposition and have remained together.

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Noddyandbiggerears · 27/11/2020 20:06

I do find it so odd that people really trash Camilla for having an affair with a married man when Diana did the same - with several.

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Honeyroar · 27/11/2020 20:07

Charles and Camilla should’ve been allowed to be together years ago, it would’ve saved a lot of issues. I’m not a Diana fan at all, but I feel sorry for her in the early days. She wasn’t the brightest person and didn’t seem to see what was right in front of her, preferring the fairytale (Harry seems a tad similar!) Her family and the royal family are the ones that I think the worst of. She was just a suitable brood mare to the Royal family and a passport to social climb for her own family. Her family were as bad as the Boelyns and Howards of medieval times.

Russellbrandshair · 27/11/2020 20:07

@Noddyandbiggerears

I do find it so odd that people really trash Camilla for having an affair with a married man when Diana did the same - with several.
Um..... if I thought my husband had always been in love with someone else I would too.
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Noddyandbiggerears · 27/11/2020 20:09

What?!! So if your husband hurt you by having an affair - you’d do the exact same thing to a number of other women?! Really?

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Honeyroar · 27/11/2020 20:10

Would you really? Wouldn’t you just gather up your pride and leave?

riceuten · 27/11/2020 20:12

I have no idea. I don't read the press about the royals and I don't know them personally, so who knows?

Russellbrandshair · 27/11/2020 20:12

@Noddyandbiggerears

What?!! So if your husband hurt you by having an affair - you’d do the exact same thing to a number of other women?! Really?
Haha! You do realise he had all the power in this scenario and she was worried about access to her children? Do you truly not see the power imbalance in this scenario? If not you are being incredibly naive
IKEAwebsitecompletecon · 27/11/2020 20:21

I think people confuse their story with what happened with Princess Margaret. Nobody stopped them being together at the start. They weren't victims of the firm. Camilla decided to marry Andrew Parker Bowles.

PrincessNutNut · 27/11/2020 20:27

@Noddyandbiggerears

What?!! So if your husband hurt you by having an affair - you’d do the exact same thing to a number of other women?! Really?
It's not uncommon, although I don't think the women tend to think of it that way. It's not unusual, though, for a betrayed wife to decide that since marriage caused a world of hurt for her, she'll try a different approach towards it, one where her heart might be better protected (I know, I know) and where she might gain some kind of peace or comfort by re-enacting the scene, but this time with herself in the opposing female role. Of course not all women in this situation, not even a majority, but I do believe it is a "thing". They often also decide to use the opportunity for some sexual adventure that they perhaps feel they didn't have before, and married men may be more plentiful in number/willing/likely not to encroach further in their lives than they want. At least, that's the logic.

I'm not defending it, but I have seen it more than once.

Roussette · 27/11/2020 20:42

I never said it was a great example. I just think that they went ahead and married despite such a lot of opposition and have remained together

I have no idea how you can hold them up as 'genuine love' given the past.

If that were me in that marriage I would think 'stop it', yes we're together, but it's on the back of a lot of hurt, shut up

Lurcherloves · 27/11/2020 20:44

Yes! I think it’s actually quite lovely how their relationship has endured. Terrible for Diana but at least Charles was having affairs with just anyone, he has always loved Camilla

Roussette · 27/11/2020 20:44

I do find it so odd that people really trash Camilla for having an affair with a married man when Diana did the same - with several

Blimey. You really despise Diana don't you? I am not a big fan but come on... she was 19 and his heart was elsewhere, you can't deny that

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