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To think that Charles and Camila are actually an example of genuine love

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Noddyandbiggerears · 25/11/2020 21:58

Yes of course I feel sorry for Diana. Yes I think being a royal has a huge impact. But they let young and are now still together and seemingly happy in their 70’s, despite a lot of shunning, negative press, etc.

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BlueThistles · 27/11/2020 00:23

I don't believe for a minute William had an affair... total bollocks

HardlyEver · 27/11/2020 00:33

@BlueThistles

I don't believe for a minute William had an affair... total bollocks
But what makes you so sure that a man you’ve never met didn’t have an affair?
BlueThistles · 27/11/2020 00:59

But what makes you so sure that a man you’ve never met didn’t have an affair?

I have met him.. on several occasions... through my job

and I never said I was 'sure'... I said I don't believe it .. I think it's bollocks. which is my opinion ..

CovidClara · 27/11/2020 03:02

@BlueThistles

I don't believe for a minute William had an affair... total bollocks
If he didn't he would be the first royal ever ?
CovidClara · 27/11/2020 03:04

@BlueThistles

I don't believe for a minute William had an affair... total bollocks
Both is parents did Both his grandparents did Great Grandparents- ? but lots of speculation Great Great Grandparents did Great Great Great did etc etc
HillaryWhitney · 27/11/2020 03:08

Lady

HillaryWhitney · 27/11/2020 03:09

@LadyLightning do you actually know what a beard is 😀

jessstan1 · 27/11/2020 04:10

I think they love each other, they also seem to suit each other well.

AlternativePerspective · 27/11/2020 06:28

Let’s be honest though, most people have affairs. Not just royals, but in general society. The stats say around 60%, but those will be the people who have been honest. There will be plenty who haven’t been.

And for those who haven’t, I’m sure that if you’d had parents who had cheated you wouldn’t want to be labelled as being asumed to have cheated because of it?

Fact is that the tabloids can make up any gossip they want and there will be people who believe it. I don’t believe either that William had an affair but even if he did he and Kate are still together, and shock horror> marriages do survive affairs, and aren’t always eternally unhappy, whatever people might read on mn.

And Charles..... he wasn’t happy in his marriage hence why he had an affair. It cuts both ways.... He didn’t want to be married to Diana....

How many people post here that they married someone who it turned out was totally wrong for them, the writing was on the wall but because of kids/disappointing family/whatever they went through with it. Even in general divorce was less heard of back then than it is now. Leaving just because you were unhappy certainly wouldn’t have been acceptable, to some extent it really still isn’t. Hence why so many people end up having affairs.

Roussette · 27/11/2020 07:18

that partner's wife had been dead for 23 years; that she and partner had been happily married for 15 years; but that his friends and associates were still refusing to accept you - would we all really say it was unreasonable to expect said friends and associates to get over themselves, realise that the first marriage had been a dreadful mistake and be happy that the partner was now in a happy, settled relationship?

I don't think there is hardly anyone on here who is saying they won't accept Camilla.
I think lots of us are just not holding this marriage up as an example of a fairy story genuine love thing. They're together. Fine. Just let's not pretend it was a marriage made in heaven. There was a lot of history to it. That's all.

Mimishimi · 27/11/2020 07:29

Honestly how much can we know of the relationship of two people most of us are unlikely to have ever or will ever meet? It must be quite horrid having your personal life scrutinised to this degree. At least Charles wasn't jetting off to Epstein's island or the like (as far as we know). Royal marriages have always been arrangements to suit the institution rather than the individuals involved.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2020 12:04

Was Charles cheating before during and after the grande waddin ?

As with so much else about the RF we'll never know ... the spin machine will make quite certain of that

contactusdeletus · 27/11/2020 13:13

@BlueThistles

I don't believe for a minute William had an affair... total bollocks
Me either. He looks at her with the kind of affection that's almost impossible to fake. I don't even follow them closely, but you see it in pictures time and again.

This has always seemed like a malicious rumour to me, and it's one of the things that forever turned me off the other side.

LadyEloise · 27/11/2020 13:40

If he did, he's a fool.

But apparently in aristo circles, certainly in the past, infidelity was no biggie.

Thismustbelove · 27/11/2020 15:21

It’s been well reported that William’s affair is widely known in their circles. He didn’t get an injunction for nothing!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2020 16:10

It’s been well reported that William’s affair is widely known in their circles. He didn’t get an injunction for nothing!

Maybe he just wasn't enjoying the rumours or maybe it's true - as said we'll probably never know either way

Like the rest of the RF though, he certainly has the ability to squash anything which doesn't quite suit

DressingGownofDoom · 27/11/2020 16:19

I'm sure Camilla is perfectly nice, but I forever have this image of her thanks to The WindsorsGrin

To think that Charles and Camila are actually an example of genuine love
ginnybag · 27/11/2020 17:06

See, between this and the who-ha with Harry and Meghan, this is where I think they used to have it right.

Marriages of state should be just that: marriages of state. We'd be far better served for both parties to go into, as they used to, knowing that it was business arrangement and not a love affair. We'd be far better off expecting that from them, as well.

Make it a business match, keep the extra-curriculars (if there are any) out of the press and away from other people's marriages, and crack on.

lissie123 · 27/11/2020 17:38

They live separately

CatAndHisKit · 27/11/2020 17:44

Not sure why is it even an AIBU - it's very clearly the case!

VinylDetective · 27/11/2020 17:45

@lissie123

They live separately
They don’t. They maintain both their Gloucestershire homes which is a different thing entirely. Although I always thought Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton had the right idea with living in adjoining houses, that would suit me very well.
FlynnD · 27/11/2020 17:46

Diana was used, a child at 19 who didn’t have a clue what she was getting into, Charles always loved Camilla and they should have married but the Royals thought Camilla to be too ‘flighty’. Royals wanted an Heir and a spare, it’s those boys losing their Mother so young who were the only innocents in that whole fiasco.

CatAndHisKit · 27/11/2020 17:47

Make it a business match, keep the extra-curriculars (if there are any) out of the press and away from other people's marriages, and crack on.

That's how it always worked in the past, with some lucky exception when there was love also (The Queen and Philip probably , and Victoria and Albert).
CAmilla wasn't suitable for the usual format, so no question they've lasted because it's been genuine.

Whattheactual20201 · 27/11/2020 17:47

I don’t know about their marriage but I met them and they were actually lovely and chemistry was fab. In fact camilla was probably the nicest “ famous “ person we have met !

Cygne · 27/11/2020 17:54

@TatianaBis

Well, that's pretty self-evident; you could say the same about Charles. Few people in happy marriages cheat.

The marriage wasn’t happy because Charles was in love with another woman and cheated!

Spectacularly misses the point of my post. You said Diana wouldn't have cheated if the marriage had been happy, I pointed out that people in happy marriages tend not to cheat. Self-evidently I wasn't saying that this marriage was happy.

You have also ignored my point that you can't say that Diana would never have cheated even if Charles had behaved impeccably, given her family history.