To think it's a straight choice between keeping your parents and grandparents safe and "a normal Christmas". You can't have both.

[PrincessNutNuts]

If members of your household go to work/school/the gym/the pub/ the shops or anywhere indoors with other people,

And if you don't all self-isolate for 14 days before Christmas,

Then you risk giving Covid to your parents and grandparents if you mix with them indoors during those 5 days.

That's just a fact isn't it?

YANBU Yes, you will be risking unknowingly endangering your loved ones,

YABU ???

WeCanFlyHigher People like the op seem convinced this is just one year and you can have Christmas next year with your 91 year old grandmother (for her own good, obviously).

@PrincessNutNuts

Being prepared to gamble with the lives of their own loved ones does seem to make people short-tempered.

I appreciate you struggle with this concept

But lots of people see their grandads or grannys or elderly parents because they are in household bubbles or having caring responsibilities

I could tell my dad i wont see him on Christmas day because I don’t want to kill him....

In fact i deffo will, when i see him face to face this Sunday and next etc

I’ll see him weekly and remind him I won’t see him over the government 5 days...for his own safety

Nevermind that he’s up to the shops more than i am and invites his, also elderly, neighbours in for a cup of tea

@Nicknacky

WeCanFlyHigher People like the op seem convinced this is just one year and you can have Christmas next year with your 91 year old grandmother (for her own good, obviously).

Exactly... because if we don’t see her for just this one Christmas it’s absolutely fine because we’ve got a 100% chance of spending next Christmas with her, obviously!

My DP are in their 50s and work full time, one of them in healthcare. My student sister lives with them. They all go to work/school/the gym/the pub/ the shops or anywhere indoors with other people as you put it, as do most parents and grandparents I expect!

We won’t be meeting up as we live in different countries. If we lived closer, I would probably plan to visit them.

In fact, at 90 and with health issues she’s obviously got shed loads of time left for us to have a jolly Christmas together . Decades.

WeCanFlyHigher But you are forgetting that if you don’t see her this year then at least you didn’t kill granny!!!

I hope my kids aren't reading this. If they decide that they can't risk my (perfectly decent) health, I'm going to be alone at Christmas.
I might as well not come out from under the duvet all day.

My mum is just as likey to pick covid up at the supermarket as I am to then pass it on to her. So unless your parents as isolating, they're really at no more risk mixing with relatives than they are going out.

But me and my parents have all already had covid. So it's not really a consern to us.

@Nancydowns

My mum is just as likey to pick covid up at the supermarket as I am to then pass it on to her. So unless your parents as isolating, they're really at no more risk mixing with relatives than they are going out.

But me and my parents have all already had covid. So it's not really a consern to us.

My mum is far more likely to pick Covid up from her job as an intensive care nurse than she is from us!

I'll tell you what I don't understand about these threads. The "think of the teachers/nhs staff" etc brigade.

I totally get that.

But do you really think that teachers, doctors and nurses won't be seeing their own families at Christmas? Some may not of course. But of my family, friends and acquaintances in both professions, including two ICU nurses, and every last one of them will be in a Christmas bubble.

@Sandyplankton

I'll tell you what I don't understand about these threads. The "think of the teachers/nhs staff" etc brigade.

I totally get that.

But do you really think that teachers, doctors and nurses won't be seeing their own families at Christmas? Some may not of course. But of my family, friends and acquaintances in both professions, including two ICU nurses, and every last one of them will be in a Christmas bubble.

Exactly this. My mum is an ICU nurse. My stepmother is a teacher. Both will be in a Christmas ‘bubble’.

One of my parents work with the public. She’s more likely to give me covid.
They are fine with meeting up.

The way my nan is recently she might not even be here for next xmas.

Il be seeing my family as normal at Xmas.

Some people will die because of who they see this Christmas.

It won't be because of me.

@PrincessNutNuts

Some people will die because of who they see this Christmas.

It won't be because of me.

Yes. And some people will die for entirely non Covid related reasons without having seen their family for months.

OP is clearly a GF as they aren't actually responding to anything.