A visor is not a face covering

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Just that, AIBU?

A friend of me wears a visor, as she is exempt from wearing a mask.

She has a serious cardiac condition that limits her oxygen levels. She can just about cope with wearing a visor.

And she does that mainly for other people’s benefit and so stop abuse from the self appointed Covid police.

[quote LaLaLandIsNoFun]@SchadenfreudePersonified

Nope, demanding to know the reason why someone cannot wear a mask is not a ‘right’. Sorry.[/quote]
You misunderstood - I mustn't have made myself clear - sorry.

I meant that it it the right of the non-mask wearer to keep their reason for exemption private.

@BrownMilk

It's clear that masks help to protect everyone- it's a collective action for collective protection. I'd ask those who don't wear them, what can be done to help you wear them, at least some of the time?

At work (over 100 staff) nobody has been unable to wear a mask. Some more at risk of getting seriously unwell with covid (including asthma) wear higher grade mask (more difficult to wear) to give them better protection while still protecting others. Some people have tried different brands to find what suits them.

IMO the only objective exclusions are not understanding the request and not being able to put on/take off.

We do need to take the toxicity and judgment out of the discussion because it doesn't help the legitimate goal of promoting mask wearing. We need to help people to wear masks too- better designs, better textiles, better psychological support. Whatever it takes, we should all be supporting that too.

So you are the judge of legitimate exemptions under law?

@trappedsincesundaymorn

Never tried communicating with a lip-reading deaf person whilst wearing a mask have you? I'll give you a clue.....you can't.

This.

Walking around Sainsbury’s with a visor whilst socially distancing is quite different to a study about staff in close contact with each other on a daily basis.

I don’t really get the “shows willing” thing. If people are exempt they’re exempt, I don’t need anyone to make some sort of pointless show about caring about my health or that of my vulnerable family members - I just assume everyone is doing their best. It’s a much more restful way to live, not going around looking for ways to hate other people

I was stopped from going into a shop a while back as I was told it was not an adequate face covering. I now wear a different face mask

I'd ask those who don't wear them, what can be done to help you wear them, at least some of the time?

For me? mandatory teaching of BSL in schools
For OH a cure for epilepsy

Neither of which is going to happen anytime soon.

I'd ask those who don't wear them, what can be done to help you wear them, at least some of the time?

Could someone follow me around with a bucket to be sick in and ready supply of new masks to put on when needed? A soft chair in case I faint/ pass out? In that case, I think it would be manageable.

For me? mandatory teaching of BSL in schools

That wouldn't be a bad thing in general TBH - even if just the basics.

For people who can't wear a mask I like that they make an effort with a visor it probably makes them feel more protected as well.

I'd ask those who don't wear them, what can be done to help you wear them, at least some of the time?

I have trauma that means I can’t wear a mask.

Counselling appropriate to my trauma. For as long as and as often as I feel I need it.

Arrest the person who attacked me and prosecute them. And give them an actual sentence to serve.

But neither of those will happen.

I agree. But if someone can't wear a mask then it's not hurting anyone

I wear a visor because it can take as little as 45 seconds to start hyperventilating in a mask.

Although it only took 3-4 minutes to start hyperventilating under the visor in the time it took to collect DS's inhalers in the pharmacy. Kind of ironic gasping for breath while holding someone elses inhalers.

As there's no way I can wear a well fitted, effective mask, it's all a moot point.
It's no less effective than a lanyard, and so far 100% at repelling arseholes who'd have no issue in creating an illegal row with a small, young, fit woman who just physically can't cope with breathing in her own recycled air. Firtunately the law is on my side.

I'm relieved when staff wear visors because I can make eye contact and lip read and communication is much easieŕ.

No fucking way am I ruining my health and my family's quality of life by needlessly being a prisoner in my own home to appease someone else's illegal and irrational paronoia about masks/ virus.

Has your employer not provided screens between you and the customer? Even the smallest of shops I've been in has them

You are correct in my opinion. I avoid people using them and regard them as useless. I'm not in the UK but on a popular tv show where I live an infectious disease Professor ran an experiment showing the difference between no mask, a mask and a visor, it was obvious from that simple display that masks, while not perfect are a hell of a lot better than visors.

A virus is 45,000 times thinner than a human hair. I really don't think a lot of masks people wear are up to the job. To be effective they need to be the respirator type FFP 2/3 N95.

What are all the sanctimonious whingers going to do with their ire when all this is over? Parking? Dog shit?

Better than nothing.

When I go to the supermarket, I put a mask on, do my shopping and leave.

I do not understand why people are so obsessed with what other people are doing. I dont notice who is wearing a mask, visor or nothing at all when I'm out because it isn't my job to police anyone and because I'd assume someone not wearing a mask or indeed wearing a visor are doing it for a valid reason.

I would imagine people wearing a visor are doing so because they cannot wear a mask are terrified of someone having a go at them and being called selfish fuckers.

As for the person who said its the same as drink driving, it really isn't.

I'd ask those who don't wear them, what can be done to help you wear them, at least some of the time?

A cure for the illness I have, they haven't found one yet.

Better than nothing. The exemptions for certain conditions of no face covering have been used by people some of whom fake a condition, exaggerate it, or just would have to remove it for a few seconds from time to time. I expect if it had been visor or face covering, more face coverings would be worn.

In Germany in September when I was there, no exceptions and no-one not wearing a face covering.

@Yorkshirepudding1987

When I go to the supermarket, I put a mask on, do my shopping and leave.

I do not understand why people are so obsessed with what other people are doing. I dont notice who is wearing a mask, visor or nothing at all when I'm out because it isn't my job to police anyone and because I'd assume someone not wearing a mask or indeed wearing a visor are doing it for a valid reason.

I would imagine people wearing a visor are doing so because they cannot wear a mask are terrified of someone having a go at them and being called selfish fuckers.

As for the person who said its the same as drink driving, it really isn't.

Same

I tend to find that there will be a group or family with maybe one member not wearing a mask and i just assume that they can’t, i have two ‘family’ members that struggle with long term use of the mask and one of those wears a visor at work

It's better than nothing.

Yanbu. A facemask over the mouth and nose protects others from the wearer’s germs. A visor only protects the wearer and that only very slightly. I think they’re ridiculous and, wherr worn instead of a face mask, selfish.

If I was having open surgery I’d be very keen the surgeon wear a facemask not a visor!