To think these are the stats noone talks about

[TMIincoming]

Just that really. Deaths aren't really any higher than usual and hospital beds are less occupied than usual. Or are people going to say these figures aren't accurate

Yes that’s a lovely idea OP, come back in a couple of years

@nicebreeze

* I beg to differ.

A pp suggested i should volunteer to be infected like its some.slrg of death sentence. Loads of people genuinely believe due to all the Bull shit reporting that if they contract it they will end up in hospital.and get long covid. That only applies to a small percentage of people.

You honestly don't read threads on hear and detect that people are.scaded of catching it? Nearly everyday there are people posting that someone they know has tested positive and they are worried because they were in the same room as them for five minutes"*

I'd obviously rather not catch it. As you say, I'd probably be fine, maybe even asymptomatic, but my mum and my dad (who I adore!) are both, despite being active, clinically vulnerable and might die. I don't want to pass it onto them.

Again, you're making unsubstantiated claims now about long Covid - where's your source for it only applying "to a small percentage of people"?

I slept.oved at my mums house the day before I tested positive. I hugged her, we sat inches away from her when we ate, we cooked together. She is 84 and still here and fit and healthy.

I lost a grandparent (on dad's side he is a lot younger than mum) in a care home. I know it can kill, but for most it doesn't

Also. I am technically vulnerable and was advised to shield when this all kicked off due to an underlying health condition.

I caught it and didn't even notice

That graph has been thoroughly debunked. Have you looked at who "statistics guy" is who one of the sources?! He randomly applied a fantastical population growth to the data. Please read this thread - twitter.com/NeilDotObrien/status/1330830796966518785?s=19 - and don't trust what you read in the blimmin daily mail!

@TMIincoming

Also. I am technically vulnerable and was advised to shield when this all kicked off due to an underlying health condition.

I caught it and didn't even notice

Good for you! Why not blog about it?

I slept.oved at my mums house the day before I tested positive. I hugged her, we sat inches away from her when we ate, we cooked together. She is 84 and still here and fit and healthy.

I live with my mum, OP. She's been shielding since the start. My son's been here, off to school when they reopened. We're being careful - like I said, no panic. No hysteria. But your bullsh*t Daily Mail charts really get on my tits

using 'someone here on mumsnet' as your source says it all op!!!

You got a source for a 3 to 4 fold increase in critic care beds available? Where did they magic all these extra trained icu nurses up from?

Nationally the nurse to patient ratio for ICU has been changed to one nurse to two ICU patients, instead of one to one. During the first peak, a lot of hospitals went up to one ICU trained nurse to 6 patients, with a team of "helpers" from other areas (some who had no ICU experience). Staff from other areas who had previous ICU experience were also given a two day "refresher" course and redeployed back to ICU.

My hospital has tripled the number of ICU beds by doing this. Obviously it's not ideal, and other areas are suffering with staffing shortages as a result.

www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-intensive-care-staffing-ratios-dramatically-diluted/7027214.article

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/08/nhs-england-suspends-one-to-one-nursing-for-critically-ill-covid-patients

We all know Sweden didn’t go into lockdown

Few restrictions made

Until last week with a number of senior politicians and their advisors admitting they got it all so very wrong

Evidence doesn't come much better than real.life experiences

Otherwise known as “anecdata”

The death one is also misleading because we are having all these restrictions in place to keep people out of hospital. So what would the picture look like without restrictions?

Otherwise known as “anecdata”

Absolutely. It is exactly the same as saying, "I've smoked for 40 years without problems, so I don't believe smoking causes cancer".

@prh47bridge

Otherwise known as “anecdata”

Absolutely. It is exactly the same as saying, "I've smoked for 40 years without problems, so I don't believe smoking causes cancer".

Rubbish

The comment was about the fact lots of people will have had it and not known. There is very little evidence around this as not many people have had antibody tests, and in fa t its now known people who had it in the first wave are unlikely to have antibodys if they were tested now.

My evidence to back that up was my own, the fact that had I not been tested prior to a hospital admission I would never know I had it, and if the rest of my house had been antibody tested in the summer we would never know they had it.

The chances that we were a one off and that hasn't been repeated world wide are miniscule.

Guernsey is covid free. A guy wanted to travel so went for a test and was positive. They tested his close contacts and about 10% of them were also positive.

None of them had a clue, and since none of them had been off island they never did find out where it had come from. That would suggest there are other people with no symptoms there and it is in their community (with no masks, or social distancing) but noone has yet presented with any symptoms at all.

@TMIincoming - no; the comment wasn't about evidence of having had it and not known, it was about your claim that there are "tens of millions of people scared to death of catching it"

Have you got a graph for that?

[quote nicebreeze]@TMIincoming - no; the comment wasn't about evidence of having had it and not known, it was about your claim that there are "tens of millions of people scared to death of catching it"

Have you got a graph for that?[/quote]
You don't belive the media have whipped up a frenzy where millions are scared of catching it and think they will become seriously ill if they do?

You must live in a different world to me. People have even been posting on here panicking that their perfectly healthy kids might catch it at school.or uni. Newsflash, they probably already have

@nicebreeze

Thread and poll below.

Already one person doesn't want to die and another "long covid scares the bejesus out of me"

People are scared, largely for no reason

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4088604-To-think-people-are-scared-about-catching-covid

[quote TMIincoming]@nicebreeze

Thread and poll below.

Already one person doesn't want to die and another "long covid scares the bejesus out of me"

People are scared, largely for no reason[/quote]
This isn't evidence of anything. Who is most likely to click on a Covid thread on Mumsnet? Not the vast majority of people who are getting on with it and have no strong feelings either way - it's likely to be people who are already concerned or have strong feelings about Covid. Not exactly representative of the wider population.

Eh? Its evidence people are scared. You said people weren't. They are, loads of them

*"You don't belive the media have whipped up a frenzy where millions are scared of catching it and think they will become seriously ill if they do?

You must live in a different world to me. People have even been posting on here panicking that their perfectly healthy kids might catch it at school.or uni. Newsflash, they probably already have"*

It doesn't matter what I believe. My point is you can't open a thread using charts representing questionable data to debunk the govt's Covid response only to follow up by making crazy claims about how many people are panicked, crazed, hysterical.

Again, the people posting about panic aren't necessarily in the majority. Just 'cos you read a lot of posts on Mumsnet that doesn't meant that's how society is feeling or behaving.

@TMIincoming

Eh? Its evidence people are scared. You said people weren't. They are, loads of them

It's not evidence of anything beyond exactly what it's showing. You have to understand that you can't extrapolate a few posts to wider society? It doesn't tell us anything about what's really happening elsewhere.

Who said in the majority. I said tens of millions of people (which is a massive underestimte)

You know 90 million people is still about 1 percent of the population right?

@TMIincoming

Who said in the majority. I said tens of millions of people (which is a massive underestimte)

You know 90 million people is still about 1 percent of the population right?

Where have you got "tens of millions" from? That's all I'm asking. What's the evidence that it's that number and new fewer or more?

My point is, the idea that you have a better handle on this than "them", based on your gut feeling and some graphs in the Daily Mail, is absurd. Yes, there will be a certain spin on the data based on whatever balance has been agreed between Covid, wider public health issues, the economy, etc. but I keep reading people who are angry about the hysteria and panic being spread by the media and my point is always that it just doesn't exist on the scale you're being duped into believing

I just said its a massive under-estimate. There will be far far more than that. It was a figure to make a point.

Tens of millions of people are scared to death of something which loads of them have already unknowingly had.

Not sure what's so hard to understand. I have already said there aren't real figures as there is no way anyone could measure.

I reality its probably more likely hundreds of millions of not billions