To think these are the stats noone talks about

[TMIincoming]

Just that really. Deaths aren't really any higher than usual and hospital beds are less occupied than usual. Or are people going to say these figures aren't accurate

If its fake and doesn't exist volunteer to be infected with covid to help the vaccine along as it doesnt exist they will be giving you saline and withdrawing non existent antibodies and you will get paid for it

See. That chart doesn't scare me in the slightest.

It’s not meant to scare you. It’s meant to show that your graph is inaccurate.

@slipperywhensparticus

If its fake and doesn't exist volunteer to be infected with covid to help the vaccine along as it doesnt exist they will be giving you saline and withdrawing non existent antibodies and you will get paid for it

I had it back in March thanks. Wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't been tested prior to a routine hospital admission

@midnightstar66

Even if they are correct they are the same despite us living in varying degrees of restrictions for the best part of 9 months and many are now well in to another lockdown. Were we living a normal life would they be far higher? Most likely!

This is actually a good point

And I and two others in my house were tested for antibodys (around June I think) had all had it and not noticed. I would bet most of those panicking have also had it

@TMIincoming

And I and two others in my house were tested for antibodys (around June I think) had all had it and not noticed. I would bet most of those panicking have also had it

but who is "panicking"??

This explains it better than I could:

twitter.com/neildotobrien/status/1330830796966518785?s=21

@BlackPetunia tens of millions of people are scared to death of catching it.

Loads of them will have already had it and not noticed

“Old people aren’t falling over”?

They are, that it what Des O’Connor sadly died from, injury following a fall. Hip surgery and cataract surgery aren’t going ahead, neither are falls groups or a lot of routine medication / monitoring that prevents falls.

The beds one is a proportion of the beds available. So that is very easy to manipulate depending on what counts as an available bed (have they included the nightingale hospitals)
The deaths one shows a huge peak in spring. Since then we've been very restricted, especially the most vulnerable groups, because of regulations but also because of personal choice for many people. So I don't see your point on that one.

Thing is OP, Long COVID is a thing. We are already seeing increasing numbers of patients in the community with it. These are previously young, fit, healthy people who were able to work full time. Now they are unable to work, reliant on benefits - how much do you think that is going to cost the economy? If we let COVID run wild, sure, a lot of people would have the nice asymptomatic version and be fine - but in absolute terms, a large number of people would end up with Long COVID, at a very significant cost to the economy and let's not forget, to their own quality of life.

Your entire attitude is the old 'I'm alright, Jack' - well, lots of people wouldn't be.

tens of millions of people are scared to death of catching it.

Loads of them will have already had it and not noticed

The problem is that some people do get severely ill. No one knows who that will be. So we are all asked to take precautions to protect ourselves (and others).

Not many people have cervical cancer, yet we are all encouraged to get a smear test because a small fraction of people will be saved through detecting their cancer. Are all women who get a smear test also "panicking"? Or is that just a sensible precaution?

What about smoking? Lots of people smoke and live to be 90 and never get cancer. But we are all told not to smoke, in an effort to save some of us from dying early.

Hahaha @Kazzyhoward - I’m an anaesthetist and we don’t just put people into ITU who don’t need it post op. How bloody ridiculous to suggest so.

[quote TMIincoming]@BlackPetunia tens of millions of people are scared to death of catching it.

Loads of them will have already had it and not noticed[/quote]
You have no evidence for this - once again it's people like you who are imagining this terror and panic which just doesn't exist.

Washing hands, trying our best not to transmit, being careful around those we know who are vulnerable. That's not panic and hysteria.

How is me and others in my house having had it and not noticed not evidence ffs.

Evidence doesn't come much better than real.life experiences

@TMIincoming

lol people really arent 'panicking' and 'scared to death'

i work with the public as do all the adults in my household. we don't see this panicking and fear.....we just see a concerned public who are a bit confused about it all and just want to get on the best they can

the only hysteria i've seen is from you really

a different source

@TMIincoming er, i think you need to calm down a bit, your blood pressure will thank you for it

[quote BlackPetunia]@TMIincoming

lol people really arent 'panicking' and 'scared to death'

i work with the public as do all the adults in my household. we don't see this panicking and fear.....we just see a concerned public who are a bit confused about it all and just want to get on the best they can

the only hysteria i've seen is from you really[/quote]
I beg to differ.

A pp suggested i should volunteer to be infected like its some.slrg of death sentence. Loads of people genuinely believe due to all the Bull shit reporting that if they contract it they will end up in hospital.and get long covid. That only applies to a small percentage of people.

You honestly don't read threads on hear and detect that people are.scaded of catching it? Nearly everyday there are people posting that someone they know has tested positive and they are worried because they were in the same room as them for five minutes

DS had a long overdue hospital appointment on the 13th and his consultant told me compared to this time last year it is quiet. She said they aren't getting the levels of respiratory illness cases for this time of year. She also said they have a contingency plan in place as of course that could change but she said last year was so bad she had to cancel her out patients appointments in children's health and help out as they were that overrun in the resp ward. She said they buses loads of cases to Kings in London as they couldn't work out why these people, specifically the elderly were not responding to the tried and trusted methods of intervention and as a result she firmly believes our wider area had it earlier than suggested by the first confirmed case.
She said she felt this year it was a case of masks stopping spread, old people too scared to go out, increase in germ knowledge due to handwashing and understanding how things spread easily and people trying to sort stuff at home rather than going to A+E.
However, Dsis hospital, the next big town over is rammed and has had to assign another 2 wards for Covid as it's getting busy again but they were tier 2 before lockdown and look to be tier 3 after it.

@TMIincoming

How is me and others in my house having had it and not noticed not evidence ffs.

Evidence doesn't come much better than real.life experiences

I'm saying you have no evidence of "tens of millions of people scared to death of catching it".

I'm always amazed by how keen some people are to scrutinise some claims while merrily making statements based on their own gut feeling in the next breath

Ooh OP accept your take down graciously love

• I beg to differ.

A pp suggested i should volunteer to be infected like its some.slrg of death sentence. Loads of people genuinely believe due to all the Bull shit reporting that if they contract it they will end up in hospital.and get long covid. That only applies to a small percentage of people.

You honestly don't read threads on hear and detect that people are.scaded of catching it? Nearly everyday there are people posting that someone they know has tested positive and they are worried because they were in the same room as them for five minutes"*

I'd obviously rather not catch it. As you say, I'd probably be fine, maybe even asymptomatic, but my mum and my dad (who I adore!) are both, despite being active, clinically vulnerable and might die. I don't want to pass it onto them.

Again, you're making unsubstantiated claims now about long Covid - where's your source for it only applying "to a small percentage of people"?

Just wanted to add- SARS and MERS had very high mortality rates- upwards of 30% .

Initially it looked like SARS-COV - 2 had a mortality rate of 10% which obviously is very alarming and the reason for the very strict restrictions initially. But of course the virus mutates and different strains and forms appear.

The reason that SARS and MERS died out is they were too effective- they killed before those infected could pass it on. How this relates to SARS-COV-2 is that the more mild the symptoms caused by a particular strain, the more likely the virus is to be passed on as the person will not realise they are infected and will go about their normal business. Hence over time the mortality rate declining.

@Smellbellina

Ooh OP accept your take down graciously love

Let's see in a couple of years eh when we have accurate stats and can truly see if the lockdowms and consequences of them were justified.

I am confident we will look back from our world with massive debt, loads of unemployed, a decimated tourism and hospitality industry, reduced retail, a completely screwed arts and leisure industry and higher taxes and say it wasn't.