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Disgusting

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StoneofDestiny · 20/11/2020 19:28

AIBU to think it's disgusting that the pay of Nurses, Prison Officers, police, Teachers and other public service workers who have kept us safe despite the risk to themselves throughout this Covid year are the ones that get their pay frozen

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StoneofDestiny · 22/11/2020 07:35

Wasn’t that long ago Johnson was saying his pay was too low to manage on. The crassness of that comment at a time when we are being told ‘we are all in this together’. From anybody else the comment would be shocking - but from him it’s par for the course and those he surrounds himself with / Rees Mogg, Cummings, Patel etc.

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Facelikearustytractor · 22/11/2020 08:09

@SentientAndCognisant

This pay freeze doesn’t apply to nhs. It applies to military,police,prison,civil service
Do you mean frontline worker NHS only? I keep hearing different things. I work in the admin support side of things, but I am not at managerial level. I don't get the the opportunity to take on evening or weekend shifts for shift enhancrments like I used to when I worked on the front line. My salary is my salary, so I'm wonder how this will affect people in my position. Prison officers in particular have to deal with souch violence and aggression and I certainly think they deserve an increase.
baubled · 22/11/2020 08:12

"All in this together to make it fair" I wonder if the government will remember that when private sector start getting £££ bonuses again.

Are the MP's also having their pay frozen?

Facelikearustytractor · 22/11/2020 08:29

I do think there should be a call for all MP's to have pay frozen since they are apparently public servants too. That will at least make Boris disappear, but to be honest I'm actually scared of who will replace him, which is says a lot about the state of things really.

hamstersarse · 22/11/2020 08:30

@baubled

"All in this together to make it fair" I wonder if the government will remember that when private sector start getting £££ bonuses again.

Are the MP's also having their pay frozen?

I don’t agree with MPs having a pay rise this year at all

But I don’t understand the mentality of if someone else has it good, then so should I. It’s not how the world works?

Facelikearustytractor · 22/11/2020 12:19

But I don’t understand the mentality of if someone else has it good, then so should I. It’s not how the world works?

It shouldn't work the other way either.

baubled · 22/11/2020 12:26

@hamstersarse don't you see the irony? Flip it round

baubled · 22/11/2020 12:36

@hamstersarse I've never been bothered about the difference in public/private sector pay, they're two separate entities but the reason being wheeled out is to make it fair for both 🤷🏻‍♀️ I would normally agree with you that just because one has it good it doesn't mean another is entitled to the same but why make it bad on all

VinylDetective · 22/11/2020 13:09

When we die it dies with us. No big lump sums to hand over to our kids. We can’t release it as a lump sum either to buy a new car or clear the mortgage

This definitely isn’t true of my public sector pensions or my husband’s. Both pay survivors’ pensions and we both took the maximum 25% as a tax free lump sum.

Thewinterofdiscontent · 22/11/2020 13:21

Surely that’s the downside of being public sector? When the country is broke so are you. It’s your employer.

VinylDetective · 22/11/2020 13:34

@Thewinterofdiscontent

Surely that’s the downside of being public sector? When the country is broke so are you. It’s your employer.
I’d agree with you if MPs were taking the same hit. The country’s their employer too.
Rosehip10 · 22/11/2020 15:47

MP's should hang their heads in shame at having a pay rise this year, and all MPs and Ministers ever say is "ah, it is is independent board that sets our pay increases!", well let's have an independent board set all public sector pay then - the irony is that where such other boards existed the government have often ignored them due to "economic reasons", funny how the MP's pay board is never ignored...

jcyclops · 22/11/2020 16:05

Many comments above say that a pay freeze would be acceptable if it also applied to MPs. So if MPs accepted a pay cut of 2%, saving the country about £1m, public sector workers be happy with a 2% pay cut to save the country £4bn?

VinylDetective · 22/11/2020 16:11

@jcyclops

Many comments above say that a pay freeze would be acceptable if it also applied to MPs. So if MPs accepted a pay cut of 2%, saving the country about £1m, public sector workers be happy with a 2% pay cut to save the country £4bn?
How about just freezing everyone’s pay in the public sector. Talk of pay cuts is a complete red herring.
User158340 · 22/11/2020 16:34

As a public sector worker I accept it as reality of the situation. It's going to be a harsh few years financially.

It's tough because we've already bore the brunt of austerity. I've barely seen a pay rise the bankers fucked up the economy in 2008, so what was seen as a good salary at that time is now not.

Clavinova · 22/11/2020 20:24

MP's should hang their heads in shame at having a pay rise this year

Why? Public sector workers did get a pay rise this year;

"Council employees have been offered an improved pay increase of 2.75 per cent from 1 April 2020, plus an additional one day’s leave"

www.local.gov.uk/council-employees-improved-pay-offer-announced

"July 2020 - Pay rises for doctors, police and more in the public sector"

www.gov.uk/government/news/pay-rises-for-doctors-police-and-more-in-the-public-sector

pointythings · 26/11/2020 19:21

For those of us saying how great Public Sector salaries and pay rises are, this sheds light: www.bbc.co.uk/news/55089900

nicebreeze · 27/11/2020 00:19

An important point which I don't think has been mentioned is the ability of the public sector to retain the best staff.

Local authorities I work with spend thousands every year on attracting and retaining qualified professionals to run their statutory services. This is foe things like environmental health, planning, public health, where good staff directly impacts the quality of lives of taxpayers.

Most local authorities are banded, not meritocracies - unless vacancies come up you rely on moving up bands or annual pay rises to justify staying in your workplace. Public sector, unlike private sector workers (and i speak as someone who has experience working in both) don't get pay rises and bonuses related to company performance.

After a few years a decent qualified planner or surveyor, for example,will leave their Local authority role to work in the private sector. It will be for the money, the novelty of being being abused by members of the public, and the opportunity to progress into more senior roles far more easily.

The idea that in a time of crisis we hammer down public sector wages (in real terms) when we need the best people to help support areas, rebuild communities and bring us out of the pandemic (and Brexit) with a fighting chance seems insane.

But once again, the government do a great job a putting one group against another (public vs private) to keep us from challenging govt and demand we are all fairly paid, taxed and supported.

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