Disgusting

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AIBU to think it's disgusting that the pay of Nurses, Prison Officers, police, Teachers and other public service workers who have kept us safe despite the risk to themselves throughout this Covid year are the ones that get their pay frozen

[quote ivfbeenbusy]@sophandbridge

Every teacher I know either worked from Home doing a couple of hours a day or were pretty much furloughed - none worked unpaid/over time so I don't think you can apply the exemption to all teachers.

I believe nurses and doctors are exempt from this latest news but to be honest it should only apply to those that work front line. Again massive swathes of the NHS were much much quieter during first lockdown due to the suspension of all other treatment

Police etc well they didn't do any additional work and actually most have said that their job was easier as the night economy was shut down for months

Public sector jobs are the only ones likely to survive the massive redundancies [/quote]
I worked so bloody hard in lockdown! And I teach nursery!

I videotaped myself singing nursery rhymes, reading stories..

I delivered learning packs..and lunches!

Suggested websites and links to online activities...

I rang parents, social workers, health visitors..

This was DAILY.

Taught the children of keyworkers..

Oh and homeschooled my own two children as I didn't want to burden their school..

The TAs in my school did nothing at home and one day a week with the keyworker children.

@Pomegranatespompom I don't know what you're talking about. My comments were directed at a poster who kept on and on about not being grateful to have a job. Most decent people have a bit more grace than to say things like that when so many others have lost theirs.

I have a busy, challenging, well paid career in the private sector, for which I've been very grateful recently when so many people have lost their livelihoods. It took me many years to qualify, and I'm quite far through my career now so very unlikely to retrain but thank you for the suggestion.

@SentientAndCognisant

Do not paraphrase me wrongly to support your point. I never said any of that I referred to me in 1st tense, I will not be told I’m lucky to have an arduous job It’s not luck,it’s choice.choice I make freely. It’s a transaction my skills = a salary

Plenty of people have skills but no secure job to speak of

By all means berate me, chose to paraphrase me,call me arrogant @hobbyiscodefordogging
This no way negates my opinion and it’s not a war of attrition I won’t shudder under the weight your v personal attacks
I feel broken,I feel scared, I am exhausted going to work. I am not grateful to experience that gamut of emotion
I don’t feel grateful when there are whispered conversations about death And illness

I am forever indebted and bonded to the colleagues I work with
They have my back
The nurse who knew I’d been crying in toilet and she never spoke it other than to say “I got you”. I can not tell you how powerful that was

For my job I have relocated regions, moved for posts, competed to get on rotations. Accrued student debts, have ongoing CPD requirements
Worked BH. I knew all that prior to training so no I don’t have a tiny violin I’m simply saying

@hobbyiscodefordogging surprised you are berating posters who are frontline nhs. I don’t think they should feel grateful, it’s terrifying and exhausting. What do you hope to gain by being so unkind?

@Pomegranatespompom I appreciate your posts and I see your staff too.hope you and your colleagues are hanging on in.

There are entire industries that have just disappeared and who knows when they’ll come back. I do think people should be mindful of that.

I have a few friends who worked in events and their work is untenable right now. One friend had her own company, years and years of work and investment, all gone now. I also know people in the arts who are fucked for the foreseeable.

Some people’s skills and experience went from relatively valuable to worthless almost over night. That’s pure bad luck.

Plenty of people have skills but no secure job to speak of I agree
Yes that’s really scary and and multiple sector are impacted I have friends who’ve lost their jobs. It’s terribly upsetting

@SentientAndCognisant this putting against is awful.
@TheKeatingFive truly terribly for so many people, heartbreaking.

*pitting

I just don’t think people appreciate the true horror tbh.

I’m dont talk about work at home, i cannot convey the enormity or impact

Plenty of jobs in our local council’s homelessness team, teaching, social workers, can’t recruit solicitors or planners as they can earn more in the private sector even with our fantastic pension.

The pension isn’t that great. When we die it dies with us. No big lump sums to hand over to our kids. We can’t release it as a lump sum either to buy a new car or clear the mortgage.

Plenty of jobs collecting the bins every week too. Funny how a few months ago we were all praising the bin men collecting the rubbish every week (not once was my bin missed) yet now these people on low wageS don’t deserve a 2% pay rise.

@RealBecca

It's the classic. Get everyone fighting about which public sector roles are 'worthy' of a pay increase, generate a race to the bottom about how overpaid any other public sector worker is compared to private, then rub ones own hands as they vote themselves another 10% salary increase because they, of course, deserve one. Plus expenses, of course.

Exactly this. A race to the bottom. We all argue. Yet The very rich are now richer than they have ever been.

Friend of mine has just left the banking industry with a £150k golden handshake. So please don’t tell me we are all in this together as I was told that 10 years ago and it wasn’t true.

Instead of mumping about overpaid arrogant and entitled public sector gold plated pension it’d be useful to look at the inequalities in pay and bonus system that has rewarded dysfunctional and competitive Corporate behaviour

Did this not happen?

"Nursing Times 2018"

"Nurses and other NHS staff on the Agenda for Change contract in England are to be offered an average 6.5% pay rise over three years, with many staff set to receive more than this."

"Under the multi-year deal agreed by unions and employers, all but the very highest paid staff would get 3% in April 2018, 1.7% and a 1.1% lump sum in April 2019, and 1.7% from April 2020."

"Overall, basic pay will increase over the three years by 22% (£4,842) for a band 5 nurse who started this year, 16% (£3,819) over the three years for a band 5 nurse with two years’ experience and 6.5% (£1,869) if they are at the top of the pay band."

"According to the Royal College of Nursing, half of nurses will receive significantly more than 6.5%. It cited the example of a registered nurse, currently three years into their career and earning around £24,500, who it said would be over £6,000 a year better off by 2020-21."

"In addition, the healthcare assistants will get significantly more than 6.5% via the tiering arrangement. Unison said staff on the lowest pay grade would get an immediate pay rise of over £2,000 this year – an increase of between 11% and 13%."

www.nursingtimes.net/news/workforce/nhs-nurse-pay-set-to-rise-by-6-5-over-three-years-under-new-deal-21-03-2018/

July 2020;
"Public sector workers, including doctors, teachers and police officers, will see above inflation pay rises this year"...

www.gov.uk/government/news/pay-rises-for-doctors-police-and-more-in-the-public-sector

@Clavinova I think it depending where you were on your band, I actually earn less this year than I did last year. For the past 3 years my pay increased in total by £50 per month - this was more than cancelled out by the raise in train fares. £50 over 3 years- not so great really.

Clavinova a lot of people actually ended up being paid less in those pay reforms. The nursing unions really failed to scrutinise the proposals properly before recommending them. A lot of people got utterly shafted. Which is not surprising, given the proposals came from a Tory government.

pointythings

But nurses are not subject to the latest public sector pay freeze are they? So the unions can negotiate another pay rise next year?

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Anything to say other than an eye roll, you really are not coming across well.

Most people appreciate that there are many other areas that need investing in, I don't have any confidence that this government will do anything other than throw money at the incompetent mates ie Dido et al.

Clavinova that isn't the point though, is it? In 2018 a lot of people got a non pay rise. That means a large chunk of the public sector (the NHS) really haven't had a pay rise in almost a decade. Include inflation and that means those people have had an effective pay cut.

Yes, health care workers are exempt this time round - but that is wrong. Teachers have worked their arses off in many schools keeping things going. Firefighters and the police have done the same. The public sector has been squeezed under the Tories, because that is what Tories do. They have come through in the time of COVID and now Sunak is proposing to kick us in the teeth. The private sector by contrast have had pay rises during the good times. They've had it tough, no disagreement about that, but at least they have had good times - and as posted above, some are still getting pay rises this year.

The private sector by contrast have had pay rises during the good times.

Which 'good times' are you talking about? I know professionals outside of London who didn't have a pay rise for years - high street accountants and lawyers etc.

@yellowcatss

were in so much debt this is just the start. i didnt think we should go into lockdown and cost so much money but we did and this is the result.if i was making cuts id start with the benefits system which is unfairly unequal!

Jesus wept, benefits were frozen for years and are still far less in real terms than they were 10 years ago.

When families have to pay £250 pw rent out of the maximum benefit of £384.62 pw they get under the benefit cap, what the fuck would you advise them to make savings on?

Yes, the country's skint, but making those on the poverty line even poorer is absurd.

YANBU but the answer is simple: vote Labour; Tories out.