AIBU to wonder when the riots begin?

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Much more spending announced on 'defence' than eco policies, children growing up in poverty, dodgy contracts awarded to buddies and today pay freezes for public sector workers and a proven bully being supported in her role. All this on top of one of the worst covid death rates in the world. How much longer do we sit by idly?

@dkdkfhfkdsl Totally agree. People would rather blame other members of the public. Sharp elbow syndrome.

I'm not rioting. The Great British Public voted for this shitshow. They can choke on it.

@PaperTowels

4th and 14th July spring to mind

And 1st Oct (China) and 12 June (Russia).

Thanks. To my shame I couldn't recall the exact day and felt Googling would be cheating.

Speaking of which, not much coverage of the fact it was 75 years ago we started the Nuremberg trials. I would have thought it would have merited a doodle ?

And the psychological ramifications of sharp elbow syndrome, mask exemption hatred, and the way people have been bullied , gaslighted and emotionally blackmailed by the Government and other members of the public will reverberate and have ramifications for a long long time after the pandemic lessens.

@MercyBooth

And the psychological ramifications of sharp elbow syndrome, mask exemption hatred, and the way people have been bullied , gaslighted and emotionally blackmailed by the Government and other members of the public will reverberate and have ramifications for a long long time after the pandemic lessens.

And invariably target the wrong people.

Remember how the disabled caused the global financial crisis ? Thank fuck we got those sponging twunts eh ?

Unfortunately as far as I can tell from speaking to people at work, school and in extended family lots of people think that they are 'doing the best they can' in difficult circumstances. I have no idea why there is not more uproar about the policy of releasing positive Covid cases into care homes that led to so many deaths, the absolute shambles that is the outsourced test and trace, the lie about an oven ready Brexit, procurement of costly and faulty PPE and tests, the Tory party giving contracts to their mates & many having their noses in the trough!

I feel old now but I grew up with 'the troubles' ever present, mass strikes which could end in violence and with 'race' riots in major cities (thats what they were called at the time) So the british people dont riot and we are a democracy feels a bit superficial but i suppose it has generally been more peaceful since I've been an adult.

"the british people dont riot "

There were riots in big cities in England about 10 years ago weren't there?

"we are a democracy"

yes, but a flawed one, obviously. We need electoral form asap.

We will sit idly by, and we will let the Tory's spout their lies at the next election. People who are worst hit by them will continue voting for them while blaming higher earners. Many won't vote because 'they're all the same' and life will plod on.

There were riots over the Poll Tax. So come on people, off you go and riot!

@cdtaylornats

Would that proven bully be the one with no complaints against her be the one who is right wing, female and a bit brown?

I wondered if it was her, the 'not very pretty' one. I was going to ask who was the 'proven bully being supported in her role'.

She is expendable, has a limited shelf life so I wouldn't worry about her too much.

"The Great British Public voted for this shitshow. They can choke on it."

44% of the electorate did. Not even half of those who voted.

The parties of the centre and the left together got a higher percentage than the Conservatives and Brexit Party put together.

www.bbc.com/news/election/2019/results

Spending money on cyber security is essential if we want to protect infrastructure like the NHS. It's only a couple of years since large parts of the NHS was hit by ransomware. Now imagine ransomware and covid at the same time!

Plus we have to pay for covid somehow. Personally I hope they put 40% tax up to 42%, and the 45% rate up to 50%. Plus an extra chunk on capital gains, to spread the cost to everyone.

Payrises are a bit of a pipedream to be honest. I worked in the private sector until August, haven't had a raise of any kind since 2017 and I'm now redundant. So I don't have much sympathy, sorry!

Honestly I wonder who starts threads like this. Nothing better to do on a Friday evening. It is quite sad.

The closest thing we will get to a riot is the unholy scrabble over the light up christmas gin bottle when it is finally restocked in M&S.

It is also worth noting even the yellow vest in France have given up.

@Friendsoftheearth

It is also worth noting even the yellow vest in France have given up.

They never had a clear aim to begin with though didn't they? Started off as an anti green tax movement, then joined by the Left and all sorts of different issues. Then the pandemic...

@Friendsoftheearth

I was in London when the riots were taking place a few years ago, it was not so much about protest as looting as far as I could see. And it achieved absolutely nothing apart family businesses going bust and taxi drivers losing their livelihoods.

If you want change then email your MP and ask for a meeting. They are still offering zoom meetings, and you can raise your points in a civilised fashion, and ask your MP to raise your concerns as a priority.

Same here!

I think technically riots could happen but the BLM crowd who rioted last time have said they're just doing protest marches.

It was about looting but seemed to be violent and also angry at youth unemployment which as far as I can see has only got worse recently.

I don't think riots really achieve much, except strengthen the establishment. Counter productive, really. It's simply not possible to be organised enough to actually make a difference. Because if you could, you wouldn't riot. You'd form a political party and work to engineer change that way.

Now revolutions, on the other hand, almost by definition tend to be successful. That's how they get to be "revolutions" in the history the winners write.

Not quite sure where "rebellion" comes on the spectrum. Although I know it's in the sixth verse of the national anthem ....

Ppe was a worldwide problem , yea government over paid and I'm sure we not the only country it happened to

Lots of poverty down to parents benefits only meant to be a stop gap my dad worked 3 jobs to put food on the table

The housing market , people want new builds and brand new furniture, people used to buy small homes to start with and saved for a deposit and had second hand stuff

@emilyfrost wow you sound like a really lovely person. Not. Fortunately your 'everything is great' views seem to be very much in the minority. I suggest you get out into the real world. Have a good weekend!

@friendsoftheearth honestly I'm glad for you that your middle class problems of something running out of stock at M&S is the biggest problem for you. I would suggest your username is a bit misleading, comes across like you care about bigger things.

@Gwenhwyfar

"the british people dont riot "

There were riots in big cities in England about 10 years ago weren't there?

"we are a democracy"

yes, but a flawed one, obviously. We need electoral form asap.

It started in London and spread quite quickly - various parts of London, such as Croydon (near me) and Lewisham, Notting Hill etc - so urban inner city areas. It was all to do with the Mark Duggan shooting in Tottenham originally , that's how it started.

It was quite worrying as the yobs or young people were running down streets looting shops, turning over trams in Croydon etc but spread to other cities like Nottingham, Birmingham, Bristol, Coventry etc.

What was really sad was a big furniture shop - Reeves of Croydon was set on fire and had to be rebuilt and there was a harrowing image of a young Polish woman also in Croydon jumping from a burning building.

Rich middle class people who value looks over substance want new builds. Those trapped in private rentals would happily take the small house to begin with. The problem is that prices for those entry-level houses are way out of step with wages in most parts of the country and have been since the early 2000s. This country is vastly unequal and divisions are growing. Anger is everywhere, but so far aimed at each other thanks to successful divide and conquer tactics: public v private workers is one of the oldest ones.

As far as the public sector pay freeze is concerned: a 3-year freeze will apparently save £23 billion. Meanwhile HS2 costs £110 billion last time I checked.

Remember it well CleverCatty

I was in Sainsbury’s SE London zone 2 and they asked everyone to leave so they could board it up as rioters were coming close by. Which we did quickly (after I legged it to get marshmallows)

As far as the public sector pay freeze is concerned: a 3-year freeze will apparently save £23 billion. Meanwhile HS2 costs £110 billion last time I checked.

We have already spent £100 billion on Brexit. The most expensive passport in the world, it seems as there is fuck all else to show for it.

That £100 billion that ain't going into education, health, social care, defence, roads, rail, climate change, or indeed anything at all.

Just remember that when you are told there's no money for nurses and other criminally low paid staff who bear a responsibility out of all proportion to their pay.