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Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/11/2020 22:10

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

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BruceAndNosh · 29/11/2020 09:49

Jenna Ellis is proclaiming that it's perfectly within the Constitution for State Legislature to decide to appoint their own choice of Electors contrary to the popular vote.
No offence to decent Christians but these "anything is acceptable in the service of God" types like Ellis, and McNinny and ACBarratt are fucking dangerous. I'm sorry to choose three women as examples but I'm sure there are plenty of men doing the same.
Trump isn't one of them, he's not using "Christian Principles" to bulldoze his way into the White House, his only interest is in what's best for Donald

Anon778833 · 29/11/2020 09:55

@BruceAndNosh yes, I agree with all of that.

It's a toxic mix of ingredients.

BruceAndNosh · 29/11/2020 11:00

Pretty much sums it up...

Mike Dunford
@questauthority
·
8h
This is a lot like chess, in a way. Biden is the guy sitting on one side of the board ready to play. Rudy, Jenna, Sidney, and Donald are the pigeons wandering around on the other side knocking over pieces and crapping everywhere.

Lweji · 29/11/2020 11:26

Even during this process and during Biden's Presidency (knock on wood), Democrats should pay attention to these warnings.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/29/beware-going-back-to-normal-thoughts-normal-gave-us-trump

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 11:27

@SugarbabyMilly

However, if the US own internal constitution allows for the election result to be annulled and reverted to Trump, then that's what the US own internal constitution allows for, and it's not for the UK, or any other country to gainsay that.

Do you think this could actually happen? 😱

Sometimes things happen regardless of what people may have thought the chances were previously.

On our own troubled isle, for example. Who would have dared foretell that in 2019 the Prime Minister would unlawfully try to prorogue parliament and have to be reigned in by our own SCOTUK, only to form a new government that went on to openly pass a bill that breaks a treaty the UK signed less than a year gone ???????

People who say "That won't happen" merely because it's not something they can imagine aren't much use in such discussions.

Personally I think it's unlikely as there are people around Trump who want a chance to play with the train set that is the US, and there isn't much point in hanging around waiting for that if Trump breaks it before you get a chance to play. However, we return to that phrase "riding the dragon". There will be people around Trump who believe they can benefit from his chaos, and so are prepared to let it happen in the (never once worked in history) belief they can dispose of him when he has done his job. I believe von Papen said something similar about the leader of the minority government in Germany in 1932. We'll push him so far into a corner he'll squeak they said of Adolf Hitler. History tells otherwise.

If it's any consolation a lot of the cunts that either enabled Hitler, or looked the other way came to a succession of very sticky ends. Night of the Long Knives and all that.

And that was in a country which didn't have more guns than people.

DuncinToffee · 29/11/2020 11:37

I can't read this article because it's behind paywall but it sounds intriguing.

This @washingtonpost story is a remarkable piece of journalism. It chronicles Mr. Trump's descent into madness. America is fortunate to have survived this man -- so broken and tortured, so damaged and dangerous, so cruel and detached from reality.

twitter.com/peter_wehner/status/1332893389545738242?s=21

Yohoheaveho · 29/11/2020 11:50

@Zebracat

Just listened to the Hunting Ghislaine podcast. Very distressing and it does go a long way to explaining her relationship With Epstein. Hideous. All these awful people allowed to do whatever they liked.
If you are enormously wealthy it's possible to escape accountability .....for quite a long time but what a ridiculous amount of hubris to think that one could escape accountability as the president of the United States
DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 11:52

Robert Maxwell connects Trump through Ghislaine to nazi war crimes.

(Why it's good to like history, sometimes.)

Maybe "Hunters" was a documentary after all ?

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 11:53

America is fortunate to have survived this man

Don't count your chickens ...

giletrouge · 29/11/2020 11:59

Segue sorry - I've just been watching this because I'm trying to debunk all the conspiracy nonsense in a relative's head. This is Robbie Williams being interviewed on some nonsense channel. Are people aware that Robbie Williams appears to have bought into QAnon? No need to watch the whole thing but from 25 minutes for about five minutes will give you the flavour.

I despair. I really do. We share the planet with nutters.

vimeo.com/431269216

Roussette · 29/11/2020 12:01

DuncinToffee if you go into incognito/private browsing, you can read WaPo articles that way. It's what I do!

Pah. Just tried to do that, and for the first time ever it stopped me....

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 29/11/2020 12:01

@DuncinToffee here’s that article:

This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair tray to protest a photograph — a photograph — showing that his inauguration crowd the day before had been smaller than the one four years previous. Since then, this weak person’s idea of a strong person, this chest-pounding advertisement of his own gnawing insecurities, this low-rent Lear raging on his Twitter-heath has proven that the phrase malignant buffoon is not an oxymoron.
Presidents, exploiting modern communications technologies and abetted today by journalists preening as the “resistance” — like members of the French Resistance 1940-1944, minus the bravery — can set the tone of American society, which is regrettably soft wax on which presidents leave their marks. The president’s provocations — his coarsening of public discourse that lowers the threshold for acting out by people as mentally crippled as he — do not excuse the violent few. They must be punished. He must be removed.
Social causation is difficult to demonstrate, particularly between one person’s words and other persons’ deeds. However: The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed” stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice” when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.
The White House video of Trump's visit to St. John's Episcopal Church in D.C. erases the violent attack on protesters by authorities that preceded it.

What Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “defining deviancy down” now defines American politics. In 2016, voters were presented an unprecedentedly unpalatable choice: Never had both major parties offered nominees with higher disapproval than approval numbers. Voters chose what they wagered would be the lesser blight. Now, however, they have watched him govern for 40 months and more than 40 percent — slightly less than the percentage that voted for him — approve of his sordid conduct.

Presidents seeking reelection bask in chants of “Four more years!” This year, however, most Americans — perhaps because they are, as the president predicted, weary from all the winning — might flinch: Four more years of this? The taste of ashes, metaphorical and now literal, dampens enthusiasm.

The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,” as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.

In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.

This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man
A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S. Eliot anticipated:

We are the hollow men . . .
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .
Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 29/11/2020 12:04

@giletrouge Robbie Williams has a long history of mental heath problems and conspiracy theories. I’m not sure that him buying into the QAnon BS is that surprising really.
www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/hark-the-welcome-return-of-robbie-williams-alien-conspiracy-theorist-2377732

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 29/11/2020 12:08

@AcrossthePond55 I saw this and thought of our conversation yesterday.
twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1332853527744540672?s=21

Skating rinks in Florida absolutely crammed full of people and not a face mask to be seen.

DuncinToffee · 29/11/2020 12:14

Thanks EveryoneRevealsThemselves, like your choice of name Smile

EveryoneRevealsThemselves · 29/11/2020 12:18

Thanks Duncin, these threads inspired me ;)

giletrouge · 29/11/2020 12:18

@EveryoneRevealsThemselves ah, ok. I'm clearly behind the curve - Robbie W has not ever been in my field of interest tbf. Grin You're right though, it's not really surprising. It's just when I see actual people talking about it like it's all actually true it still shocks me. It's so irrational and so easy to pick apart, just like the voter fraud, but the persistance of belief is alarming.

Anon778833 · 29/11/2020 12:48

On our own troubled isle, for example. Who would have dared foretell that in 2019 the Prime Minister would unlawfully try to prorogue parliament and have to be reigned in by our own SCOTUK, only to form a new government that went on to openly pass a bill that breaks a treaty the UK signed less than a year gone ???????

Yes, but To be perfectly fair, the U.K. public voted for the idiot in a landslide, even having witnessed his previous unlawful actions. This then undoubtedly gave him a stronger mandate because it was certainly no longer a minority government.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/11/2020 13:13

lionheart
www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-set-veto-defense-bill-over-renaming-bases-honoring-confederates-n1248467?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Oh FFS -- everyone knew Trump was going to dig in his little heels and refuse to sign off on the Defence stuff if the bases were going to be renamed as part of it.

Couldn't they have waited until a moron was no longer infesting the White House? It's a bipartisan measure, they could have tacked it onto any bill at the beginning of 2021 and not given the orange utan an excuse to be a pest.

(By the way, I said little heels without thinking about it, but are his feet actually in proportion to his hands, and way too small for his body? I can't say I've ever looked, but it would make sense.)

AcrossthePond55 · 29/11/2020 14:05

[quote EveryoneRevealsThemselves]@AcrossthePond55 I saw this and thought of our conversation yesterday.
twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1332853527744540672?s=21

Skating rinks in Florida absolutely crammed full of people and not a face mask to be seen.[/quote]
It's scenes like that that really get my goat. Just wear a fucking mask. A mask is a small thing, it's not like they want us all to wear Haz-Mat suits. Why does it have to be so hard to make people understand??? Why do people have to be so fucking stupid?

OK, rant over.

DuncinToffee · 29/11/2020 14:12

Grin a helmet is like a tinfoil hat, no?

twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/1332383939416059904?s=21

justawoman · 29/11/2020 14:15

I’ve just invested in a year’s subscription to the Washington Post for £20. Think the offer is still going if anyone’s interested.

AcrossthePond55 · 29/11/2020 14:19

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

The bill is being presented before Biden is inaugurated due to funding needs and date limits. They can't have a lapse in military spending and will have to start negotiations all over if they don't get it passed before the new session of Congress in January.

I think the Dems don't want to remove the clause as changing the names is a big part of the party's platform. I think they don't want to be seen as backing down over an issue tainted with racism. The stupid thing is that (IIRC) Scrotus could do a 'line item' veto and just strike that bit down but sign off on the rest of the bill. But of course, he won't do that, that would be 'losing'.

At any rate, Biden can order it via EO come January or Congress can attach it to another bill.

DuncinToffee · 29/11/2020 14:21

Why do people have to be so fucking stupid? because they can Angry

DGRossetti · 29/11/2020 14:25

By the way, I said little heels without thinking about it, but are his feet actually in proportion to his hands, and way too small for his body? I can't say I've ever looked, but it would make sense

Little heels ? Little feet ? Little boots ? (I guess that's me condemned as the liberal elite, making obscure classical references. What it is to know a Thing Or Two).

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