Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

Previous thread:
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@EveryoneRevealsThemselves

It just gets more depressing *@AcrossthePond55*

It really does. And after seeing the news over the last few days at the number of people who (against advice and good judgement) traveled and/or had large gatherings for Thanksgiving, I really despair at people. I'm afraid the statistics in a couple of weeks, when the effects of that travel start to show up, are going to be staggering.

Honestly, we need a national policy and we need it badly. And as hard as it would be, I wish my state (CA) would do another statewide lockdown. But this time with enforcement.

@AcrossthePond55 I agree so much :( so many of my family and friends have travelled for thanksgiving and hosted large gatherings. I’ve found a lot of conversations VERY difficult and upsetting this week and am absolutely dreading the possible results in a few weeks :(

I believe a million people passed thru US airports last friday . God knows how many since

AcrossthePond55
Not just SD. A total of nine states have hit that 'milestone'; (of 1 in 1000 deaths) NY, NJ, MA, CT, LA, RI, MS, ND, and now SD.

Yeah, but very few people know 999 other people well, so the Trumpistas can probably go on saying "nobody I know has caught it, it's all a Democrat hoax spread deliberately by a Chinese lab" and go right on not noticing that those two things really aren't all that compatible.

I am still concerned about any case reaching SCOTUS. Remember that the justices split 4-4 over a Republican plea to undo a state court order and force elections officials to ignore absentee ballots received after Election Day, Nov. 3. This was during the hiatus between RBG's death and Barrat's appointment. And now they are 9...

If it does, and SCOTUS can reverse the election, or declare Trump the winner, then I guess the vigilance wasn't eternal was it ?

It's an interesting thought experiment though. Mainly for what would happen outside the US. For example in the UK, would Johnson find himself dusting off his "Well done Donald" card and immediately committ the UK (that's you and me, by the way) to accepting Trump as president ? And would he expect every man jack of us to simply agree with him ?

Would such a move see states that emphatically did not return Trump talk about secession ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_California

These are the interesting times that were wished upon us centuries ago. And now you can see why it was a curse.

I'm wondering if SCOTUS will refuse to hear the cases Trump tries to send up there. I believe they need 4 votes to even hear an appeal. Wouldn't surprise me if they don't get 4 votes.

The legal people I follow on Twitter seem to think that the legal pathways being set up by Powell etc. are increasingly narrow & procedural technical in a way that closes doors to getting to SCOTUS consideration. Also, Powell may not have standing (is struggling to have a client).

I apologise for going back to 'diaper don' but I listened to the 1st episode of this:
www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/hunting-ghislaine/hunting-ghislaine-maxwell-john-sweeney-podcast/
apparently R Maxwell had form for public defecation, and it's common among megalomaniacs, they do it to humiliate those beneath them

Boris has already acknowledged the election result and Biden's win, as have other leaders of democratic nations. It would be political suicide for Boris to acknowledge Trump as President if he achieved it by overturning a clear election win for Biden. So I don't think he would.

Anyway, time is running out for Trump and he's facing defeat at every turn. So I really don't think he'll be able to overturn the result.

Boris has lied and cheated his entire adult life. I don't really see that anything he has said or done previously is in any way inviolate. Although it's not what I think, it's what Boris thinks.

And Boris thinks that nothing he has ever said or done is inviolate.

I'm not saying that he has any kind of moral compass, he's clearly a born liar and we know that. I said that he knows that it would be political suicide to support a President who got there by overturning the democratic process, as it would come back to haunt him at future elections. Especially if other democratic political leaders don't follow suit.

Anyway, it really doesn't look like it's going to come to that, as Trump is being defeated at every turn

@Mittens030869

I'm not saying that he has any kind of moral compass, he's clearly a born liar and we know that. I said that he knows that it would be political suicide to support a President who got there by overturning the democratic process, as it would come back to haunt him at future elections. Especially if other democratic political leaders don't follow suit.

Anyway, it really doesn't look like it's going to come to that, as Trump is being defeated at every turn

Sad state of affairs when no one can contradict my calling our PM an inveterate liar and a cheat.

However, if the US own internal constitution allows for the election result to be annulled and reverted to Trump, then that's what the US own internal constitution allows for, and it's not for the UK, or any other country to gainsay that. Or rather, if the UK chose to ignore the US internal constitutions mechanisms, then what next ?

This is not an abstract issue for Boris. He is very soon going to try to rely on the UKs internal constitution (or what passes for it) in order to tell a potential 100% SNP Scottish Parliament to Go...Fuck...Yourselves.

YoHo I never knew that about Robert Maxwell but I imagine him and Trump are cut from the same cloth as it were. And then there's the ghastly Ghislaine
You couldn't make it up could you...

I never thought there was more than a cigarette paper's width between Maxwell and Murdoch when to came to being complete and monstrous wastes of oxygen. My main feeling was "shame they weren't both on that yacht", at the time.

(I had friends in the print trade.)

And then there's the ghastly Ghislaine
whose counterpart in the land of trumpton adult nappies is Ivanka

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-set-veto-defense-bill-over-renaming-bases-honoring-confederates-n1248467?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

I'm going to be sloppy and claim something without refs: it's been building up on me over several days and I didn't keep notes.

So. I've noticed a couple of times in the last few weeks that Republicans attempting to wrest control of their party back from the Trumpies, have referred to Trumpy behaviour as "behaving like Democrats."

That's right: they've projected their own party's worst behaviour of the last few years onto the Democratic party, and then used the "Democrat" label as a bogeyman to scare salvageable Republicans away from Trumpy election-destroying behaviour.

They've literally said things like, "Stop this nonsense: you're behaving like Democrats."

I think I saw one eg from McConnell, but haven't got the ref to hand.

It might be effective to reign some Republican footsoldiers in. But fuck me, how divided must a country be for this to work? And doesn't it ultimately consolidate the division?

Arseholes. Useful arseholes farting some of the wankers away from the flames. But arseholes.

My metaphors are in a lot of trouble in that post. But, hey, metaphor in itself.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

AcrossthePond55 Not just SD. A total of nine states have hit that 'milestone'; (of 1 in 1000 deaths) NY, NJ, MA, CT, LA, RI, MS, ND, and now SD.

Yeah, but very few people know 999 other people well, so the Trumpistas can probably go on saying "nobody I know has caught it, it's all a Democrat hoax spread deliberately by a Chinese lab" and go right on not noticing that those two things really aren't all that compatible.

My DiL's mother used to say that Covid was a Dem Hoax. Now that she herself has tested positive, it's no longer a hoax per se. The 'hoax' now is that the Dems are blowing the seriousness of it all out of proportion to 'get at' Scrotus. Because Scrotus has had it and he told everybody that it's 'no big deal'. 🙄

Fox must have really annoyed him

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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@FoxNews
daytime is virtually unwatchable, especially during the weekends. Watch @OANN@newsmax , or almost anything else. You won’t have to suffer through endless interviews with Democrats, and even worse!

Oh dear. Even worse? What would that be, in Trump's lexicon?

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Oh dear. Even worse? What would that be, in Trump's lexicon?

= people who disagree with me

Just listened to the Hunting Ghislaine podcast. Very distressing and it does go a long way to explaining her relationship With Epstein. Hideous. All these awful people allowed to do whatever they liked.

However, if the US own internal constitution allows for the election result to be annulled and reverted to Trump, then that's what the US own internal constitution allows for, and it's not for the UK, or any other country to gainsay that.

Do you think this could actually happen? 😱

From what I've read it's not impossible but is highly unlikely.

allows for the election result to be annulled and reverted to Trump,

Even if that miniscule, dancing on a pin, chance came true and the election was voided then my understanding is that Trump's term finishes on 20th and in the absence of an elected president Nancy Pelosi becomes #46