Figures Don’t Lie, But Liars Do Figure (Trump thread #114)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

Enough already! Delusional, depraved, but DEFEATED. We may have to wait until Jan 20th but 45 will be GONE. McConnell is next...

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4076183-Donald-has-barricaded-himself-in-the-WH-and-we-have-Georgia-on-our-minds-Trump-thread-113

[quote OVienna]@PatriciaHolm my relatives believe that Satan is afoot in the US. Name checked him. So, if this can be attributed to mental illness there are a lot of diagnosably unwell people there. It is very much cultural.[/quote]
Indeed, but I think Sugarbabymilly's husband is British, and here in the UK? Which puts a different filter on it.

Oh I see you quoted me @DGRossetti. Nope, I'm done. They can fry in their own fat, as far as I'm concerned at this point. Been there and done that and I am not investing any more time in these individuals. Every ti.evthey day something irritating I shall donate a small amount to the cause of my choice.

@PatriciaHolm Wut?

Their behaviour is worthy of the Stately Homes thread, to be honest, and about control. (Family that is.) Quiz dude can die stupid as far as I'm concerned. His loss.

Meanwhile Biden keeps working on filling his administration

Joe Biden nominates first woman to lead intelligence and first Latino to head homeland security

www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/joe-biden-foreign-policy-national-security-cabinet/index.html

Yes, we are in the U.K. but he has American relatives. To be quite honest, his mental health is questionable on and off. But he seems to never want to face his problems head on - he starts doing reiki or going to see psychics or some other convoluted thing which might make him realistically face up to his problems.

I meant to say which might distract him from

@marceelias
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court AFFIRMS our 5 victories in Philadelphia and REVERSES our one loss in Allegheny County.

Trump and his allies are now 1-35 in post-election litigation.

[quote Roussette]@marceelias
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court AFFIRMS our 5 victories in Philadelphia and REVERSES our one loss in Allegheny County.

Trump and his allies are now 1-35 in post-election litigation.[/quote]
story link:

www.rawstory.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-supreme-court-shoots-down-trumps-lawsuit-and-overturns-one-of-his-wins/

The judgement from that.

www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-118E-2020oajc%20-%20104614191120569290.pdf?cb=1

Another damning judgement

Plus (much more interesting)

www.rawstory.com/2020/11/supreme-court-declines-to-take-action-on-trumps-pennsylvania-appeal-prior-to-certification-of-biden-win/

The Campaign does not contest that these ballots were all timely received by the Philadelphia Board prior to 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020 (election day); that they were cast and signed by qualified electors; and that there is no evidence of fraud associated
with their casting.

The Campaign instead contends that these votes should not be
counted because the voters who submitted them failed to handwrite their name, street address or the date (or some combination of the three) on the ballot-return outer envelope

@Iamnotminterested

“Sorry to be a numpty, but what's that? When they declare their results?”

Yes, pretty much. It’s when the body overseeing the election meets and votes to accept the vote tallies as submitted by the various counties as correct and valid. They then pass it to the Governor or Director of Elections for formally ‘sign off’ and submit to Congress.

@maggiethecat
“does certification mean it's a done deal for the respective elector of that state come 14 December when the electoral college votes? Is it still possible for the electors to vote against the certified results?”

Now, that’s a question. Different states have different rules. Some states say you must vote the certified results on all ballots. Some say you must vote the certified results on the first ballot but if there is not a clear majority you can change your vote on subsequent ballots.

But there can be so-called ‘faithless electors’ who choose to go their own way. However the SCOTUS has ruled that States have the right to ‘punish’ faithless electors and in the past the Electoral College has thrown out their votes.

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I've been staying away from news and my laptop and trying to keep busy to avoid freaking out waiting for PA and MI!

I like the conclusion

(“[T]he power to throw out a ballot for minor irregularities ... must be exercised very sparingly and with the idea in mind that either an
individual voter or a group of voters are not to be disfranchised at an election except forcompelling reasons.”). Having found no compelling reasons to do so, we decline to intercede in the counting of the votes at issue in these appeals

@PerkingFaintly

I watched that Hope Not Hate seminar, "Learning from Biden 2020" Combatting Disinformation" the other night and it was very good. Some of it is very pertinent right now.

Here's the link for the whole discussion, lasting 1 hour 20 mins:
www.facebook.com/hope.n.hate/videos/learning-from-biden-2020-combating-disinformation/822143725248185/?so=permalink&rv=related_videos

My big takeaway was: "Don't treat the hit, treat the wound."

IIRC they said:

– Repeating an attack in order to rebut it, amplifies the attack.

– Fact-checking has very little impact on people's perception after they've seen the attack.

– Telling people outright that their strongly held belief is wrong is useless (worse than useless?).

– What really works is to expose people to material which treats the psychological impression the attack has created. So for example, if the attack claims – overtly or subconsciously – that "Biden is sick and has cognitive issues," then the treatment is to show images of Biden looking fit and perky and coherent. Don't mention the attack while doing this: just do it and let people form their own opinion.

The Biden team were at pains to point out that they had not cured disinformation in the US. Their aim in this instance was solely to prevent disinformation turning the 2020 election for Trump. As such, they ignored swathes of Ever Trumpies and focused attention on potential swing voters or those who might be suppressed. They identified when attacks came in, which group had received the attack material, and attempted to inoculate that specific group with treatment material.

Really interesting Perking.

Michigan have certified. 3 board members in favour (inc one republican) and one abstention.

MICHIGAN CERTIFIED!

www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/michigan-certify-election-results-monday/index.html

The Michigan State Board of Canvassers voted Monday to certify the state's election results, formally granting President-elect Joe Biden the state's 16 electoral votes.

"The certification all but erases President Donald Trump's pathway to try to overturn the election results through legal challenges that have been dismissed in key states."

Of note:

Of the two GOP canvassers one voted to certify, one abstained.

Info on the PA certification:

www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-certification-election-results-third-circuit-trump-counties-20201123.html

www.npr.org/2020/11/23/937984848/at-least-five-pennsylvania-counties-to-miss-election-certification-deadline

Some counties will miss today's deadline, but it sounds as if this is not unusual?

"Ultimately, minor delays in a handful of counties fully certifying their results shouldn't affect the overall certification process statewide — in part because Pennsylvania's election code doesn't set a hard deadline for statewide certification by the secretary of state, which is normally a formality, voting law experts say."

This is such a fascinating and insightful discussion!

me and my oh are watching the series 'The Seventies' on sky; the 2nd one is all about Nixon and Watergate (I assume it's all true, it certainly seemed well done). What I cannot understand is how his transgressions rocked America so extensively and yet the orange one is still getting away with murder? Aren't there enough people left who remember what happened?

Can you imagine if the mainstream media reported that there was any credence to Trumps claims?

The Trump bots would be all over it but any other time, everything the media says is 'fake news'

Trump's total twitter silence today is unnerving. What's he up to?
Have he and Sidney eloped to Moscow?

Indeed @BruceAndNosh I was just thinking the same!

I wonder how many phones he's smashed against the wall in a tantrum this past 10 days.../

From the CNN link that DuncinToffee provided above:

Georgia, which already certified the election on Friday and did a manual recount with state Republicans signing off on it, is doing another machine scan of the ballots at the Trump campaign's request. Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's Voting System Implementation Manager, said Monday that the recount would probably start sometime Tuesday, and "will probably wrap up sometime next week."

So what's the point of Trump requesting yet another recount if the result has already been certified? I don't get what it could achieve? (Not that any of his shitshow makes any sense, of course...)

Looks like Emily Murphy has caved and the transition can officially begin ...