Anyone watching The Crown and despising them for their behaviour to Diana?

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Obviously it's not a documentary, but enough truth to reinforce what a poor, poor woman she was and how she never had a chance.

According to the Paul Burrell book, NannyOgg, Diana was having second thoughts and her sisters persuaded her to go through with it. How true that is, I don't know..

Someone as damaged as Diana would have probably been even less mature than most modern or 80s 19 year olds.

In the week or so before her death the papers were full of criticism of her, particularly about her children. Overnight the front pages were changed obviously, to begin the beatification. Private Eye got hold of the original front pages for 31/8/97 and the were an eye-opener.

I remember this. There was a lot of criticism of her constant holidaying with rich patrons while she dumped the children, and the artfully posed photo opportunities. The right wing press in particular didn't like her associating with foreigners. I suspect that if she had lived she would have ended up as unpopular as Meghan is now.

@Maireas

According to the Paul Burrell book, NannyOgg, Diana was having second thoughts and her sisters persuaded her to go through with it. How true that is, I don't know..

There's a documentary on Netflix about Diana, called In Her Own Words, which is strung together from actual interviews with her and she does talk about that. I think it came partly after their engagement interview when Charles said the famous line, 'whatever in love means'

@trixiebelden77

I had to look up the Phantom of the Opera incident, thinking it must be invented.....apparently not!

Bonkers.

Where did you find that? I remember the Diana years very well and whilst the dancing with Wayne Sleep actually happened, and she was known to have been a massive Phantom fan, I’d never heard anything about her singing. Research found nothing other than she was known to have visited the set but no evidence that that scene was anything other than fiction.

@Maireas

According to the Paul Burrell book, NannyOgg, Diana was having second thoughts and her sisters persuaded her to go through with it. How true that is, I don't know..

The quote about her not going through with it and her sister saying “they have printed the tea towels” was said by Diana herself and features in the Netflix documentary.

There was no Balmoral Tests

There probably was in fairness, but it would have been far removed from the Netflix version. Thatchers biographer confirmed she certainly didn’t enjoy her time there and felt she had failed the test.
I think the Diana version of that was perhaps more to demonstrate a closeness to Philip, something she clearly had as shown in their letters.

No the video tape did happen, unfortunately.

It was reported in the press at the time.

She hired the whole theatre and Andrew Lloyd Webber and the other actors and musicians were there, and the Phantom choreographer trained her and everything. What we don't know is whether it was dancing or singing, because nobody would say what she actually performed.

I was telling DH about it yesterday as he hasn't seen the series, and he suddenly said "Oh yes, I remember her being slated in the press because she went to Phantom 3 times in one week and it was seen as grossly excessive and frivolous"

I don't know if that's true, but if it is..... 3 times in one week??!

People did get married earlier in the 1980s. I was 'on the shelf' at 24.
The difference was that people usually married others of their own age. All this rubbish that Diana was 'a child' annoys me. She had a very romanticized view of marriage perhaps. She was very scarred by her upbringing and her parents' behaviour. Maybe Diana thought that she would be safe marrying Charles because it would be unthinkable for them to divorce.

I can relate to the phantom thing. I went to see Rocketman 3 times at the cinema as i absolutely loved it and it was feelgood. Only cost £7.99 each time but to her the cost of phantom is probably not much.

I am the same age as Diana and I remember watching the wedding and thinking how she could possibly fancy or sleep with him. And why did nobody think it wasn't OK for a teenager to marry an old man? Beautiful bride and then you look at old Jug Ears and think WTF ?
The previous series showed conversations that were believable but this series seems to be playing it for laughs. And the contrast of Diana looking so childish beside Charles borders on creepy.

Charles was considered quite dashing and handsome in his younger days.

I've never thought charles was very fortunate in the looks department (neither am i to be fair) although personality wise him and camilla are obviously very suited

Prince Andrew was the Royal hearthrob. He was good-looking for a brief period in the late 70s/early 80s but his looks had waned by the time he married Fergie.

No, because I'm not that easily manipulated.

@CounsellorTroi

Charles was considered quite dashing and handsome in his younger days.

I think the actor playing Charles is appalling, they're really going out of their way to make him very wimpish when in reality he was quite good looking by the norms of the day. When he was in the Navy there were a number of stories about his runs-ashore!

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“Diana has already made it clear she will not abide all the customs of royalty. She will not walk one pace behind Charles or refrain from calling him by his first name in public. She also struck the word “obey” from her wedding vows.”

Diana was the first royal to do this and set a precedent for others. Even as a 19-year-old, she was not too intimidated to go against the entire royal tradition and refuse to obey her husband and have the vows changed. She was pretty feisty in her own way

I think they all came out badly and it's a shame. Apart from Diana, I also thought the costumes were awful - the Queen, Margaret and Queen Mother didn't dress like that. Were they made to look dowdy on purpose? I wasn't keen on the portrayal of Mrs T either.

I think it was probably a sad, messy situation for all involved. The Crown portrays this although some of the details may not be accurate.

@Housewife2010

Prince Andrew was the Royal hearthrob. He was good-looking for a brief period in the late 70s/early 80s but his looks had waned by the time he married Fergie.

He was still very nice looking by then I would have said.

Andrew Parker Bowles was a bit of a hottie when young. Not surprised Camilla was in love with him

I think it's odd that Diana would often meet up and ring Richard Kay, the Daily Mail's Royal Correspondent. He has told how she rang him on her final day. Jennie Bond has also told how she would be invited to the palace by Diana and told information "off the record". This seems quite an underhand way to get her side of the story across.

They all just seem ghastly, Dianna included. I then watched Dianna in her own words documentary, and she came across as such a wet fish, always moaning and so woe is me. I had to turn it off. I love the crown but not the royals.

@LuluJakey1

It's such a disappointment. The first two series were excellent. Olivia Coleman is not a good choice but then neither are the test if them. Marion Bailey is terrible as the Queen Mother, whoever plays Prince Philip is playing him with an incredibly camp voice which he does not have. Princess Ann is awful and along with Andrew and Edward has no redeeming features. I don't know why stories have been twisted or why Diana is being painted as the poor innocent when she was highly manipulative and had several affairs and showed bizarre behaviours like ringing up one of her lovers home hundreds of times and hanging up. Gillian Anderson speaks on dead slow as Margaret Thatcher. It's awful.

I know this is an unpopular view on but I think Olivia Coleman is excellent in the role. I also think Gillian Anderson sounds EXACTLY like Margaret Thatcher did. She sounded like a caricature to me even in real life in those days.

I also this series is less popular because it covers a period where many of us remember very detailed press coverage at the time of the events. The earlier series cover periods of time where press coverage was much less intrusive/extensive so it was harder to have a opinion on really happened or motivations etc and things that have been less examined in the past are usually more interesting to find out about..

I think this series is pretty good. It does make the royals seem quite unpleasant generally but what strikes me quite a lot is the deterioration in the relationship between the Queen and Prince Philip. in the early series they really did seem to love each other. That seems to have pretty much gone to me (though of course I know it is fiction)

There has not actually been much attempt to try to explain why the queen was such a distant mother, especially given her seemingly close reasonably close relationship with her mother and sister. She really does seem emotionally stunted

For those saying Diana was manipulative, I strongly disagree that this played a big part in the early years. She was 18/19 when she was first with Charles and had no chance against the pressure of 'the Firm', all of whom wanted the marriage.

Charles would have had to give up his right to the throne to marry Camilla at the time (she was already married)and that was unthinkable to the Queen and the Queen mother after what they had gone through when the Queen's uncle abdicated . Charles would have been under enormous pressure to marry appropriately.

@decoratingnightmare

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“Diana has already made it clear she will not abide all the customs of royalty. She will not walk one pace behind Charles or refrain from calling him by his first name in public. She also struck the word “obey” from her wedding vows.”

Diana was the first royal to do this and set a precedent for others. Even as a 19-year-old, she was not too intimidated to go against the entire royal tradition and refuse to obey her husband and have the vows changed. She was pretty feisty in her own way

Charles & Diana used the version of the marriage service which was in common use at the time. Previous royal marriages had used the 1662 version and by the time Anne got married this was old fashioned and most couples wouldn’t have been using it. It simply wasn’t a case of ‘Diana refused to obey’ like some kind of rebellion!