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Anyone watching The Crown and despising them for their behaviour to Diana?

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MyGazeboisLeaking · 19/11/2020 20:42

Obviously it's not a documentary, but enough truth to reinforce what a poor, poor woman she was and how she never had a chance.

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NullcovoidNovember · 19/11/2020 22:43

Madam I agree its little wonder Harry has little respect for them.

StillWeRise · 19/11/2020 22:45

I have just watched the first 2 episodes, and I clearly remember the whole thing (as reported) IRL
People didn't grow up quicker then, and most people didn't leave school at 16 - not in my world anyway.
I remember thinking- what on earth is going on here? Why aren't her parents putting a stop to this?
It was very, very obvious that she was a sacrificial victim.

NullcovoidNovember · 19/11/2020 22:45

Solina, Diana was extremely vulnerable from a fractured traumatic childhood and they took advantage of her.

Retiremental · 19/11/2020 22:45

Diana was childish because she was little more than a child.
I started watching the Crown this season and was struck by the reality of how young and naive she truly was. Her family are as much to blame for how things ended as the RF. Who, in their right mind encourages their 19 year old daughter to marry a 32 year old man she barely knows?

I think Diana, had she lived, would have found a role for herself with her charity work and I think she and Prince William would have been a great ‘team’ when it came to modernising the archaic institution that is the monarchy.

BoggiesBonnieBelle · 19/11/2020 22:49

Diana was three years older than me, so I was at school when they got engaged. She seemed very young to be getting married. I remember one of my teachers saying that she was appalled that anyone thought the older man / younger woman situation was "romantic"

Tootsietoot · 19/11/2020 22:49

All the Harry hate here shows what a top job the media have of making people decide who are the goodies and baddies. The press were horrific to Diana up until the day she day when all of a sudden they about turned and made her an angel. The. British public are quite thickand easily influenced.

1Morewineplease · 19/11/2020 22:50

You do know that The Crown is not a documentary, it's a drama based on suppositions.
The conversations between the characters is mostly made up.

RandomMess · 19/11/2020 22:56

I read an article where Diana's sisters realised too late she didn't want to get married and basically had to go through with it.

Many young women get carried away with the big white marriage and don't think about the marriage part. I certainly wouldn't be happy if my 17 or 18 year old were planning to marry someone a decade older in the next 6 months!

RedRec · 19/11/2020 22:57

I just despise them for their atrocious acting. Oh my God, that 'shy Di' look is so bad.

Thickhead · 19/11/2020 23:03

@ElspethFlashman

Actually I ended up thinking they were all as bad as each other.

Charles came out of it badly but by God Diana comes across as utterly vacuous and self absorbed. That anniversary present, good god!

Obviously they go to great lengths to show her ED and how lost she was but I did start to lose sympathy by the last two episodes when she was so MEMEME it really grated.

When the Queen called them out for being both entitled and whiny and ungrateful I was delighted. Even if it never actually happened, I was so sick of both of them that I was glad somebody was saying it!

Precisely.
YouKnowWhoo · 19/11/2020 23:05

To be honest, no. From just watching it (not British and hold no regard for the royal family) commenting on the character, I think she is yet another person who refuses to acknowledge she is responsible for her own demise through her own choices. She decided she wants Charles based on absolutely no knowledge of him - so what else is there - he will be king. Oh yes that minor point!

I feel really sorry for Charles (as a character in this story), a person absolutely ruined by a loveless family, blatantly disliked and held in some sort of permanent contempt my his own mother.

ancientgran · 19/11/2020 23:06

No wonder Harry has done a ‘fk em’ - imagine how he must view his Dad’s treatment of his Mum - the mind boggles I always wonder how his mother's affair and the speculation about who is father is must have damaged him. I read somewhere that Charles had refused to do a paternity test (don't know if that is true) and all credit for that if it is true.

ancientgran · 19/11/2020 23:09

I think Diana, had she lived, would have found a role for herself with her charity work and I think she and Prince William would have been a great ‘team’ when it came to modernising the archaic institution that is the monarchy. I suspect she might have been the MIL from hell.

keeprocking · 19/11/2020 23:16

@MyGazeboisLeaking

I think a lot of my distaste comes from the fact that Charles was 30 and dating her older sister when he first met Diana, aged 16.

In what world would any normal family encourage that?

A family with dynastic ambitions, get a Spencer girl into his bed at all costs.
SinisterBumFacedCat · 19/11/2020 23:17

She was no angel, she pushed her step mother, who at the time was quite elderly, down the stairs and made her homeless after her father died.

keeprocking · 19/11/2020 23:19

@RandomMess

I read an article where Diana's sisters realised too late she didn't want to get married and basically had to go through with it.

Many young women get carried away with the big white marriage and don't think about the marriage part. I certainly wouldn't be happy if my 17 or 18 year old were planning to marry someone a decade older in the next 6 months!

I think the goss was that she told her older sisters that she didn't want to go ahead with the wedding and was told it was too late to back out, the tea-towels were printed!
keeprocking · 19/11/2020 23:21

@Colycola

I’m only a few in but I thought the dig at Andrew about Koo Stark being 17 was brilliant. And so far they are showing him as being an utter twat. Hopefully that will hit the vain, entitled prick where it hurts.
Koo Stark was far older than 17, she was older than Andrew by about 5 years.
corythatwas · 19/11/2020 23:27

Another one who is old enough to remember the marriage, and agree with other older posters: it's not really that long ago and people weren't really that different then.

And that in a sense was the tragedy: Charles and his family still lived in the early 1900s, the rest of the nation had moved on. Nobody would have cared if he had married a slightly older woman with a normal healthy past. Which for most women at the time involved some experience of pre-marital sex.

On the other hand, when it became clear that he was basically taking advantage of the naivety of a young girl, that he married someone young enough to be his daughter precisely because he intended to lie to her - then people did care. That left a bad taste. Precisely because the 1980s were not the early 1900s.

Of course if Charles had had some basic personal integrity and the courage of his convictions, then that would also have been fine- he would have refused to behave like that even if he thought the nation might like it.

But failing personal integrity, some elementary understanding of the times he lived in might also have helped. We had sex in the 1980s. Men did not need to marry virgins. But men having mistresses had gone out of fashion a long, long time ago.

As for those who say this is fiction and the dialogue is made up, yes that's true, but that doesn't change the basic truth: that Charles chose an impressionable young girl because she would be easier to deceive.

CounsellorTroi · 19/11/2020 23:37

On the other hand, when it became clear that he was basically taking advantage of the naivety of a young girl, that he married someone young enough to be his daughter precisely because he intended to lie to her - then people did care. That left a bad taste. Precisely because the 1980s were not the early 1900s.

She was 13 years younger than him. That does not, in my book, make her young enough to be his daughter.

Farewelltoqualms · 19/11/2020 23:45

She was no angel, she pushed her step mother, who at the time was quite elderly, down the stairs and made her homeless after her father died.

Both Raine Spencer and Diana were complicated people. The story about the pushing incident came from Raine's camp, a former PA. On their side, the Spencer children reported that Raine had behaved very insensitively with regard to the renovation of Althorp, the selling of family heirlooms, and the controlling access to their father when he was ill. Who knows what the truth is, but whatever happened , Diana and Raine were reconciled towards the end of Diana's life, once Raine had remarried, and both women were regularly photographed having lunch together in London.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 19/11/2020 23:47

You do realise The Crown is not a documentary?

ElspethFlashman · 19/11/2020 23:48

I do think some of the fictionalizing is quite dangerous though as it becomes gospel.

For example, Louis Mountbatten never wrote a letter to Charles before he died.

Charles and Camilla weren't shagging throughout the engagement. They didn't start up again until 1986 if I remember correctly.

There was no Balmoral Tests

There was no conversation with Michael Fagin

There was no Australian meltdown.

Etc etc

Colycola · 19/11/2020 23:54

I’ve worded it wrong. I suspect the whole mini Andrew speech about Koo Stark was him talking about her playing a 17 year old in a film with lots or older men taking advantage of her. It felt like a definite nod towards PA and Epstein. Maybe in the next series there will be a pizza express menu lying on one of the tables near him.

corythatwas · 20/11/2020 00:01

CounsellorTroi, it is not unknown.

IdblowJonSnow · 20/11/2020 00:01

It's just good TV at the end of the day. Really enjoying this series, OC and HCB are so much more convincing in this one.
Who ever would have thought that Margaret would become so likeable?!
Some of my first memories are of the royal wedding street party, that made it quite odd to watch somehow.
We'll never know the whole truth on much of it will we.

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