Anyone watching The Crown and despising them for their behaviour to Diana?

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Obviously it's not a documentary, but enough truth to reinforce what a poor, poor woman she was and how she never had a chance.

@Maireas - no need for sarcasm. I was pointing out that it wasn't the dark ages, that a good body of teenage girls had ambition & education.

@luckylavender - I actually wasn't being sarcastic. It's an area of great interest to me. You sent me down an Internet rabbit hole! In the UK in 1981 less than 15% of people went to university overall. I went on the govt of Wales records to find that it only reached 50% in the late 90s. For a comprehensive school to achieve what yours did is excellent. Is it too outing to tell me the name? I've been going through the records. Genuinely, I wasn't being sarcastic!

Here's Diana explaining herself.

At time 3.50 on the video

Isn’t Bulimia (and other eating disorders) generally considered a mental illness? She was mentally unwell.

Yes it’s a mental illness
Problem is society has normalised dysfunctional eating eg limiting food groups, unscientific diets and nutrition and confuses it with actual eating disorder

@catspyjamas123

The irony about the episode showing Michael Fagan was the grotty council estate he lived on was inherited from the Labour government and although he was claiming the dole he actually had cash in hand work! Apparently he doesn’t like the way he was portrayed - not handsome enough.

They definitely didn’t give the full picture of him - the subsequent charges (and time served) for stealing cars, assaulting police officers and drug dealing. He’s given a few interviews in the last few weeks and comes across as a serial fantasist with accompanying mental health issues.

Mental health issues would have been very differently treated back then dependent on milieu. Even in the 90s I remember self-harm and eating disorders being untreated, brushed under the carpet or something to be 'embarrassed' about.

Well, not in Diana's case. I worked for a psychiatrist in the early 90's who was asked by BP to see if he could help her when her various difficulties had started to become apparent, which he did for sometime before she (I think I'm right in saying) saw other people. From my memory of working in the medical world during the 1990s eating disorders were very well recognised and being addressed by psychiatrists.

Am I right in thinking that none of Diana's lovers ever sold their story about her? A bodyguard and Hewitt were mentioned in The Crown. Later there was speculation about Will Carling and others. They seem to have remained loyal to her memory. (Or they were paid to sign a non-disclosure?).

It’s untrue that ED were brushed aside in 90s. London had ED specialists and units at Diana time
And of course an adult psychiatrist can treat ED too

Honestly I think they should have kept the Crown to the earlier years. The liberties they've taken with some of the storylines are a bit much and too many people seem to think it's a documentary..

@ancientgran

No wonder Harry has done a ‘fk em’ - imagine how he must view his Dad’s treatment of his Mum - the mind boggles I always wonder how his mother's affair and the speculation about who is father is must have damaged him. I read somewhere that Charles had refused to do a paternity test (don't know if that is true) and all credit for that if it is true.

Shows that he did have some care for her, if it was negative the press would have ruined her. Or asking for the test would prove she wasn’t faithful either.

It is fiction written by an anti-monarchist. Of course it is designed to make you despise them.

Hewitt sold his story. He did a book with Anna Pasternak called “Princess In Love”, as far as I recall. After that he was an outcast.

Ah, I didn't realise Hewitt sold it.

Season 4 sure portrays Charles in a negative light. It’s set him back many years of trying to portray a cleaner image.

Charles was a victim of the system too to some extent but he didn’t treat Diana well.

A long time affaire with a married woman isn’t being too much of a victim. It comes across as arrogant and self centered.

wharfe knows the truth, he knew her well

i knew him too, but in a different way. i've not read the whole thread so he may have been discussed already

"The Crown should come with a disclaimer that it is fiction NOT fact: Politicians, experts and friends of royals back calls for Netflix to warn viewers that show twists the truth"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8973725/Politicians-experts-friends-royals-calls-Crown-fiction-disclaimer.html

Charles was a victim of the system too to some extent but he didn’t treat Diana well

Yes. If the portrayal of his treatment of her in The Crown (I know, I know), is anything remotely close to realistic, then while it was absolutely terrible, I think I can kind of understand how he must have viewed her and her behaviours.

Charles had always been brow-beaten as a child and adolescent that he had to stand up for himself, stop the simpering, toughen up, get on with it, stiff upper lippery and all that. He's had 30+ years of this, his father is by most accounts a bit if a tyrant after all. I can only imagine that he must have looked at Diana's behaviour and thought to himself 'my god, you are even more pathetic and wet than me', his resultant reaction and treatment of her being a bizarre reflection of his own disdain for himself.

That doesn't excuse it at all of course, but I can see why Diana's 'antics' would have riled him when he himself has been brought up to believe that all forms of emotional display, self-pity etc are fundamentally unacceptable.

Was that the surgeon she shagged?

Yep. At least one of them.

Well Diana is dead so they can say pretty much what they like about her and she can’t sue.

With the first and second series there was more time for research and writing but now there is less time to verify the details and factually polish scripts that are spiced instead up to add drama.

I feel bad for both of them, they were incredibly unsuited and barely knew each other even by their wedding day.

I keep trying to think back to horrific dates I had or short term boyfriends who were just so, so wrong for me and imagining us getting married and spending our lives together... it would be awful. No wonder they both became the worst versions of themselves.

I don’t think Charles is that nice a person - he’s jealous (and we know he was/is jealous of the attention Diana got), very self centred (instilled in him from the start I guess but wouldn’t make for any kind of partnership in a marriage. I think Camilla can stand up for herself enough though). He had an awful childhood though, I’m sure you could say he suffers from having had no real attachment figure in early life .. It’s always annoyed me the way the queen has v clearly not quite warmed to him as much because the person he is is very down to her and her husband. If he had had more love from them as a young child he’d probably be a very different person today (albeit still probably a terrible match for Diana).

I always think the worst thing about the Tampax Tapes , apart from the general ickness of them generally, is when Charles says in response to Camilla being self-deprecating "your greatest achievement is loving me".