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To think Camilla should be queen?

392 replies

Brian9600 · 18/11/2020 17:47

Just interested in people's views. The whole Charles/Diana/Camilla thing was grim but it's also grim that she's the one treated as responsible rather than him. All water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.

(Obviously some people would get rid of the lot of them, and fair enough.)

Vote YANBU for Queen Camilla
Vote YABU for Never Queen Camilla

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BenoneBeauty · 18/11/2020 22:57

Never - YABU

emilybrontescorsett · 18/11/2020 23:08

Of course she should be Queen.
If you want to insist any second or subsequent wife should not take her husband's title then you would have an awful lot of women not using their married name.
He wanted to marry Camilla in the first instance but was refused permission. Charles was not fee to marry whom ever he wanted. It was in effect an arranged marriage and he had little in common with Diana but she fitted the bill on being regal enough and pure enough. I remember the outrage when Andrew was seeing Koo Stark , she was absolutely villified by the press. I don't envy them at all. Look at the grief Harry and Megan get. Indeed Catherine was vilified too, her family criticised for being 'common', it's bloody vile to be honest.

Edward viii was told by Wallis to marry someone else, she was happy to be his bit on the side but he didn't want that. He didn't want the responsibility of being king yet thought he was entitled to the privileges. That's why he had to go.

emilybrontescorsett · 18/11/2020 23:21

He asked permission to marry Camilla and was told to 'Go and sow your wild oates.' By the Queen Mother. In hindsight she probably thought she was doing him a favour as once he was married He would be expected to stay married and perform as a dutiful husband. Older royals married not for love, but out of duty, much like all arranged marriages. It was to pass property through royal blood lines and ensure they had legitimate royal children. Lots of royals fathered illegitimate children but they never inherit.

Itsallpointless · 18/11/2020 23:24

They shouldn't have been allowed to marry, let alone her be queen! Their behaviour was utterly disgraceful, and continued right under Diana's nose.

He wasn't allowed to marry her, so he (and she) should've left well alone.

They should've left the bloody monarchy when they got married, they've both basically got away with their shoddy behaviour. Who wants a King and Queen who are deceitful and untrustworthy??

Itsallpointless · 18/11/2020 23:26

Rant overHmm

PizzzaExpressWoking · 18/11/2020 23:29

She'll be Queen automatically regardless of what anyone thinks. They might decide to style her Princess Consort as a way of avoiding bad PR, but it doesn't change the fact that she will literally be Queen. In the same way as she is the current Princess of Wales, but doesn't use that title.

I do wonder though how much the whole "devoted soulmates cruelly prevented from marrying, finally able to be together" thing is actually true, and how much of it is clever (and expensive!) PR. By all accounts Charles had more than one mistress when he was first married, and Camilla was perhaps not even his most serious mistress. I've read that Camilla desperately wanted to marry Andrew Parker-Bowles who was considered the more eligible 'catch' and that actually she wasn't interested in marrying Charles. Maybe that's true and maybe it's not, but I think the Palace have worked very hard to sell the narrative that young Charles and Camilla were desperate to marry and not allowed.

I don't particularly care for Charles but I think he'll be a perfectly decent if uninspiring king. He has an admirable work ethic, has genuine passions for important subjects like the environment, has a sound grasp of things like economics from running the Duchy of Cornwall, and generally seems like an intelligent and hard-working, sensible sort of quiet chap. I honestly dread William eventually becoming King because everything about him screams petty, immature, utterly work-shy and lazy, and there are so many dodgy rumours both about his personal life and about his anger issues and tantrums. I'm also worried that he feels the need to manipulate his own family members to gain PR, eg leaking stories about Harry and Meghan to the press, staging that cheesy budget airline pap stunt. But then Charles was certainly immature, manipulative and petty in his treatment of Diana, so perhaps William will eventually grow out of it too.

When king Edward wanted to marry Wallace Simpson he had to abdicate as she was a divorcee the same rules should apply to Charles and Camelia.
It's an oversimplification to say "he had to abdicate because she was a divorcee." Edward was pressured to abdicate due to a complex series of political factors, not least the growing sense that he himself was an unfit King due to his continued interference in British politics (eg his public statements about Labour leaders, his interference in the Invasion of Ethiopia), his perceived Nazi sympathies, and various unsavoury rumours about Wallis Simpson. The 'scandal' was in large part created and manipulated by the press and by people with a political agenda to force Edward off the throne, and public opinion was actually mostly for Edward being allowed to marry without abdicating. If circumstances had been different (if Edward had been a less divisive and unpopular King, if he'd fallen for a nice well-liked English aristo who happened to be divorced) then it's likely the union wouldn't have been all that controversial.

Jinglebellissimo · 18/11/2020 23:29

I’ve know someone who has met Camilla many time’s. He says she absolutely lovely and very warm.

MrsAvocet · 18/11/2020 23:33

I can't say I care greatly one way or the other but I do think if that it is wrong that she is generally judged more harshly than him. They basically did the same thing. If he is fit to be King, she is fit to be Queen. If she's unsuitable then surely so is he?
I imagine that Charles, Camilla,Diana, and probably a lot of other people involved in the whole sad saga were both wrong and wronged at various points. The basic problem was the system (and those who supported it) that pushed a teenager and a man a decade older, who barely knew each other into what was essentially an arranged marriage on the basis that she had the right ancestry and was a virgin. In other circumstances that would be seen as verging on abuse, not the "fairy story" it was widely viewed as at the time.

SpillingTheTea · 18/11/2020 23:33

@Jinglebellissimo

I’ve know someone who has met Camilla many time’s. He says she absolutely lovely and very warm.
He says.
eddiemairswife · 18/11/2020 23:33

Camilla's Great-aunt(?) was Alice Keppel, one of Edward VII's mistresses, so she and Charles were just carrying on a family tradition.

Jinglebellissimo · 18/11/2020 23:35

@SpillingTheTea well yes - but I trust him as he’s very kind and warm himself

lyralalala · 18/11/2020 23:39

@eddiemairswife

Camilla's Great-aunt(?) was Alice Keppel, one of Edward VII's mistresses, so she and Charles were just carrying on a family tradition.
She was Camilla’s great-grandmother
Oldsu · 18/11/2020 23:51

Camilla is legally Princess of Wales now, but she doesn't use the title, that's why I don't think she will have the title Queen Consort, because it will be too contentious. Me? I like her a lot I think Charles would have been a better man if he had been allowed to marry her in the first place, she is a steadying influence on him

eaglejulesk · 19/11/2020 01:04

Educate yourself and watch The Crown.

Oh for crying out loud!

ZaraCarmichaelshighheels · 19/11/2020 02:28

Kanga Tryon was apparently the other mistress to Charles.

lovelemoncurd · 19/11/2020 02:38

The Crown is a drama folks. Michael Feagan didn't really sit on the Queens bed talking politics ! People on here quoting sections of The Crown as though those day to day conversations happened!

You could sit a frog next to Charlie on the throne and call that Queen. It wouldn't make a damned bit of difference to me tbh.

Spybot · 19/11/2020 03:03

Charles should not be King. We should expect better moral character from the head of the Church of England. He was more than an adulterer in his marriage, he was downright cruel to Diana who was extremely young, and very naive. Both Charles and Camilla were considerably older than Diana and they took advantage of that.

Charles should step aside and let William take the throne. I only hope that he is a better person and more honest than his Father.

Honestly, the Monarchy is becoming increasingly irrelevant by the second. The idea that certain people by birthright are better and more important that others is ludicrous. All said and done, maybe it is time for it to come to an end.

Ghosts2020 · 19/11/2020 03:07

she rightfully should have been his wife over diana, I dont like how people treat her, diana was obviously not a good match with charles if anyone is to blame it is the royal family

decoratingnightmare · 19/11/2020 03:12

@lyralalala

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

I don't think that will ever happen. He has waited his whole life to be King.

Agreed. Abdication is very very rare. Charles will take his turn at being King.
decoratingnightmare · 19/11/2020 03:14

@WitchesSpelleas

Charles will probably do the right thing and permit William to become king. William will make an excellent modern monarch.

Charles can't just 'permit William to become king'. It would require an Act of Parliament to approve his abdication.

So many people say they want us to have a monarchy, but they don't want Charles to be king or Camilla to be queen - what people miss is that the monarchy is hereditary - the point is you get who is next, however useless or immoral you might think them.

If you want a monarchy but "don't want Charles to be king" the definition of what you actually want is a republic where you can choose your head of state (and in theory William could then stand for this role and be chosen by the public).

Well said.
decoratingnightmare · 19/11/2020 03:34

"In recordings sent to journalist Andrew Morton, Diana claims she heard Charles confess his undying love to Camilla over the phone."

"Charles apparently even made Camilla a personalized bracelet two weeks before the wedding."

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/news/amp44619/princess-diana-prince-charles-camilla-phone-call/

There were thousands of men Diana could have married. She had years ahead of her to choose and take her time,

She ignored dozens of red flags so she could be Royalty.

LastGoldenDaysOfSummer · 19/11/2020 07:53

@Spybot

Charles should not be King. We should expect better moral character from the head of the Church of England. He was more than an adulterer in his marriage, he was downright cruel to Diana who was extremely young, and very naive. Both Charles and Camilla were considerably older than Diana and they took advantage of that.

Charles should step aside and let William take the throne. I only hope that he is a better person and more honest than his Father.

Honestly, the Monarchy is becoming increasingly irrelevant by the second. The idea that certain people by birthright are better and more important that others is ludicrous. All said and done, maybe it is time for it to come to an end.

They should never have married. Diana was unstable from the start. If Charles had been told about Diana's bulimia he'd have run a mile. But their grandmothers conspired to matchmake.

She threw herself downstairs, was later than the queen for the Albert Hall armistice service. She was every bit as much an adulterer as he was. Neither are angels. He should have known better than to marry someone so young without knowing her background.

Her "oh so caring" brother wouldn't let her live on his estate when her marriage broke up. A bit late to care about her now.

If we are to have a monarchy we have to keep with tradition, unfortunately.

The cult of Diana had the scales removed from their eyes and most saw her for what she was. A fragile, damaged young woman.

WattleOn · 19/11/2020 08:35

I don’t hate Camilla.

In fact I quite like her.

If Charles is to be king, I would consider her queen.

BlueThistles · 19/11/2020 08:37

FUCK NO !?

BlueThistles · 19/11/2020 08:38

They should never have married. Diana was unstable from the start.

She was 18 FFS ... show me anyone who could cope with that lot at 18 !?