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AIBU to not let the father of my child take her abroad once a month?

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 04:30

My daughter was unplanned with a partner who I had not been seeing for long. When I found out about her, I informed him and gave him the option to walk away. We did not stay seeing each other romantically after this time.

He chose to be involved in her life and has his name on her birth certificate (allowing him joint parental responsibility). She is nearly 4 now and he has seen her throughout this time with various levels of consistency. His family live abroad and also wish to be involved. I have done everything I can so far to facilitate contact, allowing them to stay in our house and look after her for weekends occasionally and letting her go on holiday to their country with and without me.

However, there have been large gaps in between him/them seeing her where he has been bad with contact. He has either been struggling with addiction issues or just unwilling to be around during these times. I have tried to still remain understanding, believing that it would be best for my daughter to maintain a relationship with him. Unfortunately, after she spent a week away from me in the Summer with his family abroad, I started to reconsider this. Her behaviour was really unsettled when she got back. She suddenly threw more and more tantrums and wouldn't eat properly. The nursery separately commented on a big change in her behaviour and asked if she was unhappy. I felt that this was a result of the change in circumstances and being away from her home at such a young age. Obviously the typical 'we don't have to raise her, so we can say yes to everything' came into play too.

Initially, I was raising her with substantial help from my own mother in terms of costs/childcare. However, since the beginning of this year, I have been doing it solo as a student and with a part-time income. Her father has a well-paid full-time job. Prior to September, I had never asked him for financial support as I didn't want to scare him away from a relationship with her. However, the financial strain of raising her single meant that in September, I asked him to begin contributing. We are struggling to come to an agreement.

As part of his side of the bargain, he wants me to agree to her travelling abroad once a month for a weekend to stay with his family. I am unwilling to do this because I feel it would be really unsettling for my daughter and cause more problems with her behaviour. I have agreed to give him access every other Sunday though, (which is the most regular he wants), as he does have a residence that he's renting and living in near where we live. AIBU to say that I will not agree to her travelling abroad and being away from me overnight, once a month while she is so young? (travel time would be around 5/6hrs each way). He Is threatening me with court, do you think a court would force me to allow this?

Any advice appreciated and sorry for the lengthy post.

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 08:44

I have apologised for stating something incorrect about surnames @Dddaddy . I didn't say I was offering any official legal advice. I was in fact asking for opinions/advice from mumsnet posters on my situation.

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 08:46

Thanks so much @MeridianB . I do feel very stupid but am trying to do my best to make objective choices for my daughter from now on.

I'm glad you agree about the flatshare. I know it might sound alarmist, but the stakes if something were to happen are just too high. I don't want to put my daughter in harm's way if I can avoid it.

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Veterinari · 17/11/2020 08:48

@tuesdayschild17
You need to go through CMS for maintenance - that won't cost you any legal fees.

Don't let him blackmail you into contact - the chances are he's so flaky he won't bother going to court for access. Offer him something reasonable such as EOW in the UK because long travel is not ok whilst she's so young and we're in a pandemic. Contact us about him building a relationship with her. If he can't/doesn't want to do that then that tells you all you need to know.

Hairyfairy01 · 17/11/2020 08:49

Is the country he wants your dd to visit part of The Hague convention?

Personally I think he needs to prove he can pay cms and at her young age, look after her far more frequently than he is now so they can build up a relationship. I think you'll come across as much more reasonable if you don't say it will never happen, more like he has to show commitment, build up more if a bond with her and pay his share. Then when she is old enough it is a possibility.

Realistically a monthly journey of that length is too long and disruptive for any child though. Everything needs to be in the child's best interests and I'm not sure how that would be.

GabriellaMontez · 17/11/2020 08:50

Agree with others. CMS straight away. Is he employed or self employed?

The arrogance of the man attempting to dodge all financial responsibility whilst demanding rights to travel abroad.

Who is writing his 'parenting agreements'? Do you have a copy to keep hold of?

Does he only see her every other sunday? Is there anything inbetween?

Agree with others about setting a time for pick up then leaving the house if he hasnt arrived. Have an 'appointment' planned.

He has got you just where he wants you. Time to redress the power balance. You're afraid he'll try and take her more often... is this really likely? Is he suddenly going to step up to EOW to demonstrate his commitment and stability? Does he really have her best interests at heart?

I've heard of women representing themselves in court very successfully. Hope it wont come to that of course.

Mooey89 · 17/11/2020 08:52

Firstly OP you sound very child centred and it’s really clear from your posts that you aren’t trying to stop access. I think going abroad every month is a ridiculous drain on a small child, the emphasis is on Dad to travel to see his child and as he has a flat locally there’s no need!
As an aside, I’m assuming it’s a Hague convention country?
I have a live with order and my son can’t go abroad with his dad without my permission.
I think you’re right, he needs to build up a consistent pattern of contact with her, fortnightly or more, and build up to a holiday, maybe a week in summer and Easter?

MeridianB · 17/11/2020 08:53

Even without the addiction, a flatshare is risky. And it's not worth the risk.

Contact is supposed to be for the benefit of the child, not the benefit and convenience of an adult. Especially one who has not put the child first in any way for the last four years.

Might be worth keeping a note of the times he turns up late etc and also keep comms on email so you have everything (his demands and fake claims etc) in writing.

tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 08:59

@Hairyfairy01 Yes, the country he wishes to take her to is part of the Hague Convention.

I have tried saying that I would re-address the possibility of her going abroad after the pandemic and when they have built a stronger relationship, but he is saying he wants it sorted now. And that by January regardless of the COVID situation he should be taking her abroad. Bearing in mind I am asthmatic and a bit worried about the risk. His response to that was that I was choosing to have her in nursery (which is for her wellbeing as she's an only child and very sociable, and also so that I can work/study to provide an income), and therefore already taking risks.

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:00

@GabriellaMontez he is employed not self-employed.

There has never been anything in between every other Sunday. And he has never pushed for more regular contact.

Fingers crossed it doesn't come to court but that is encouraging!

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:02

Thanks for your kind words @Mooey89 . I would consider her going there twice a year for holidays if he had built a stronger bond with her. However, is it wrong for me to think that a week is a bit long? I'd be more comfortable with a shorter trip. I guess just because of how different her response was after spending a week there in the Summer :(

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SallySaidHi · 17/11/2020 09:02

Stop being so nice. This loser who turns up when he feels like it and won't financially contribute towards raising his own child doesn't get to call the shots. CMS and court ordered access is the way to go. Take back control.

tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:03

@MeridianB I am trying to compile notes showing this at the moment! Unfortunately some of my messages are lost from the early years due to him changing numbers which is frustrating. I'm kicking myself for not making sure I had copies of them.

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Hairyfairy01 · 17/11/2020 09:03

Document everything. Don't be afraid of court. You sound extremely level headed and reasonable whilst putting your dd's needs first. Your dd is very lucky to have you, you seem like a fantastic mum.

Mooey89 · 17/11/2020 09:06

I think it’s absolutely fair and reasonable to suggest building up to it when and if contact is more stable. I’ll be honest and say that the courts weren’t fussed about my at the time 3 year old going for a week in summer even though I felt he was too little, but his dad had more regular contact and is at least consistent (just an abusive arsehole but that’s another thread 😂) x

GabriellaMontez · 17/11/2020 09:06

Employed is great! Contact CMS they will deal with it from there. They may be slow. Get the ball rolling today.

tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:08

@Hairyfairy01 Thank you! Very encouraging and have been making sure all our discussions are in writing rather than over the phone :) He's pressured me to do otherwise but I'll take your advice and keep it all written down for evidence.

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:09

@Mooey89 Sorry just to clarify, did they think it was or wasn't appropriate for your 3 year old to have a week abroad? Sorry to hear that you've had to deal with an abusive partner :( x

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tuesdayschild17 · 17/11/2020 09:09

@GabriellaMontez thank you! Will do

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Mooey89 · 17/11/2020 09:12

He didn’t go abroad until he was about 5 and I still had to agree but would have needed really good reasons for saying no.
He did have a weeks contact summer and Easter in the uk

BlackeyedSusan · 17/11/2020 09:13

You make her available. Eg DD available to be collected every other Sunday between 9 and 10 ( gives him time to account for traffic) am and returned by six so she can have a consistent bed time. Changes to schedule mutually agreed X days in advance.

Once contact established and regular can move to overnights once she is X age and he has somewhere safe to take her and her own place to sleep. (Not anytime around starting school as two big changes will not be good for her)

Travelling abroad once a month is not in her best interests as it is too tiring for a child her age, and she has not had regular consistant contact with her father yet.

BlackeyedSusan · 17/11/2020 09:14

Sorry that sounds bossy....typing on phone.

GabriellaMontez · 17/11/2020 09:14

Yes take back control!

He wants it sorted now and travel by January?!!

You dont have to justify, apologise, explain or negotiate.

"Ive taken further advice and that's not the best thing for dd. I'm not discussing it any further until you have established a stronger relationship with her based on a regular commitment to contact. One Sunday every other week is inadequate. "

GabriellaMontez · 17/11/2020 09:16

@BlackeyedSusan

Sorry that sounds bossy....typing on phone.
It doesnt! It sounds decisive and clear.
Aebj · 17/11/2020 09:16

I’m not in the uk so sorry if I sound abit stupid.
Surely all this travel abroad is not essential during COVID. She would spend her life in quarantine? So no travel until safe to do so which could be until end of 2021?

Aebj · 17/11/2020 09:17

His family can Skype / zoom/ FaceTime if they need to see her