to think if you have been social distancing, then you shouldn't need to self isolate?

[chomalungma]

Let's say hypothetically you had a work colleague who you have been meeting with but you followed social distancing guidelines.

They then test positive and claim that you have been a close contact.

You get the phone call and are told to self isolate - but you know that the only person you have been in contact who has tested positive was someone who you have been socially distanced from.

Why should you self isolate?

Social distancing was observed at the meeting. It is also the case that No 10 is a Covid-secure workplace.

If social distancing was observed and it’s a covid secure workplace, then students/teachers should be self isolating when they have been in the same room as a positive case, shouldn’t they?

What’s the difference?

The difference is that it's not convenient to Boris for teachers to self-isolate.

The photo of the MP concerned and Mr Johnson suggests that they are incapable of measurement then. Not 2 metres in my estimation.

It is unlikely that they were posing for that photo for more than 15 minutes.

The jury is out as to whether you can have it twice. I can't bear the man but I think Boris was really ill in the Spring and can't imagine he would either want to develop Covid again or pass it on to anyone else.

The question is simply:

If they followed all the guidelines, why do they need to self isolate?

(And if answer is because NHS Test and Trace say so, then what are the reasons for them telling him - and are those reasons applicable to other meetings that people have had under Covid secure guidelines)

Actually, I disagree. The 'rules' were presented as 'rules'. They didn't need to be.

If you haven't been within 2 metres of someone, for than 15 minutes, I can't see how that be considered a 'close contact' to necessitate self isolating.

Ds2 was asked to. He was more than 3 metres away from said child, for a few minutes. I too mumbled under my breath that this was ott.

FGS.

If that MP had tested positive and Boris hadn’t self isolated, I guarantee 100% that the threads would be suggesting that Boris was a hypocrite for not following the self isolation rules.

People just need a reason to bitch. Yes, there are issues with some people not being made to self isolate, but regardless of that this needing to prove Boris wrong regardless of what he does becomes a bit tedious after a while, especially given that if the opposition were in charge people would be doing exactly the same.

And no, I didn’t vote for him, don’t like him, and I think some questions need to be answered, but not one government in the world has had the perfect answer to this. And I can’t imagine anyone here would want to be in charge of this right now.

If that MP had tested positive and Boris hadn’t self isolated, I guarantee 100% that the threads would be suggesting that Boris was a hypocrite for not following the self isolation rules

And I would have defended him - because the rules for close contacts are clearly defined.

Assuming that he had followed the Covid secure guidelines, there would be no need for him to self isolate.

If that MP had tested positive and Boris hadn’t self isolated, I guarantee 100% that the threads would be suggesting that Boris was a hypocrite for not following the self isolation rules

If he had said "I don't need to self isolate because the meeting was Covid secure and I wasn't in close contact", then that would be perfectly acceptable.

I have had meetings at work - and we have kept our distance. I wouldn't expect to self isolate because we have followed the guidelines.

@DumplingsAndStew at secondary schools in England (Scotland is different) masks can only be worn in corridors.
Teachers are not allowed to wear masks in class. Nor are they (at DD's school) allowed to self isolate when a child they have spent five hours with tests positive.
It has been made clear to staff that if they come down with covid it will be because they haven't followed the rules and not because they have spent all day with a class of 17 year olds with no PPE.

So DD could potentially infect anyone else she meets whether colleagues, children or outside school because her workplace is deemed "covid secure".

'Covid secure' is such a meaningless bullshit phrase. Might as well shout DEN like we used to in off-ground tig. As if its a magic phrase that conjures a forcefield.

@MoiraNotRuby

'Covid secure' is such a meaningless bullshit phrase. Might as well shout DEN like we used to in off-ground tig. As if its a magic phrase that conjures a forcefield.

Yep!

At my school, you’d cross your fingers and say ‘Faynights’ and you couldn’t get GOT!

Even the Covid wouldn’t have got you in the 80s, if you’d said Faynights.

@chomalungma

a person who has had face-to-face contact (within one metre), with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19, including: being coughed on

having a face-to-face conversation within one metre

having skin-to-skin physical contact, or
contact within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact

a person who has been within 2 metres of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 for more than 15 minutes

a person who has travelled in a small vehicle with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 or in a large vehicle or plane near someone who has tested positive for COVID-19

Where an interaction between 2 people has taken place through a Perspex (or equivalent) screen, this would not be considered sufficient contact, provided that there has been no other contact such as any of those indicated above.

Tbf that’s preceded by ‘For example a contact can be:’ which suggests it’s not an exhaustive list.

There’s nothing in there that suggests a longer time at a greater distance indoors wouldn’t be considered a close contact. Unless you are in a school.

SD only reduces risk of transmission, it doesn't mean there is no risk at all.

There was absolutely no need for the meeting to be in person. If Parliament can function virtually with under 10% there, the Prime Minister can meet six MPs virtually. None are government ministers.

@Letseatgrandma

Would the app have told Boris whom fetched him or is he just assuming who it is?

The app doesn't tell you.

Track and Trace when they call don't generally tell you either.

I told my contacts - dh, dd and two friends who we ate out with. It was borderline as to whether they would count due to timings and seating, etc. I told them first and then included them on T&T - it meant they got the official notice, which is needed for work purposes in some situations.