to think if you have been social distancing, then you shouldn't need to self isolate?

[chomalungma]

Let's say hypothetically you had a work colleague who you have been meeting with but you followed social distancing guidelines.

They then test positive and claim that you have been a close contact.

You get the phone call and are told to self isolate - but you know that the only person you have been in contact who has tested positive was someone who you have been socially distanced from.

Why should you self isolate?

@WhyNotMe40

Secondary school teachers aren't allowed to self isolate if there has been a case in the class they taught. Even if they were symptomatic (coughing but returned to class after being sent to be isolated) and on the front row Because apparently we stay 2m distant "where possible"...

Why are the rules different for secondary and primary? Genuine question - the primary teachers I know have had to self isolate after positive cases in the class

I know what you’re saying, but I think it’s just a precaution.

I don't see the point of your psot @chomalungma Are you asking this about yourself as you have been asked to self isolate or are you making a point and having a pick at the rules?

In either case, I think your argument is a bit obtuse and hard to understand your point when everyone is making sacrifices to get the R rate down.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

I wish we could ban the term covid secure. I suppose covid slightly less risky doesn’t have quite the same appeal.

This. It's given a lot of people some very strange ideas.

Even the person who is ill got it wrong, it's better to be cautious than end up spreading to others? Sound like you see this virus totally different from me

I think it depends on the impact of forced self isolation on someone - when you have been following the Government rules and you haven't broken them.

If you have been following the Government rules, but you are then told to self isolate - then either the Government rules are wrong or there are other rules that we are not being told about.

The whole point is that the virus can be airborne. So being 2 mtrs away does not mean you are not infected.

@Hayeahnobut I have no idea. I have no idea WHO is telling them their workplaces are secure.

Companies have been relying on local H&S advisors. I don't see how they can overrule national guidance AND how can anyone be 100% sure that colleagues HAVE been 2 metres apart, aren't touching door handles, aren't using the same loos, etc etc.

it makes no sense to me.

@JinglingHellsBells

The photo Boris) is not necessarily a recent one- does it say it is?

Lee Anderson posted it on his FB account, so yeah, it’s genuine

Well Cummings isnt there telling him what to do any more so maybe he was just desperate for some advice to follow

Touched surfaces?

I never see anyone social distancing to be honest. I mean I work from home full time so granted I am not out and about seeing people all that much. But places like shops, school playground etc. People are in masks and carrying on as normal is my observation.

I have no idea. I have no idea WHO is telling them their workplaces are secure.

The Government.

@chomalungma It's not your choice whether to follow the rules. It's law and you can be fined. The rules are there because ON BALANCE they protect more people.

I have seen too many examples where people SAY or THINK they are socially distant yet the space between them is NOT 2 mtrs.

And your argument doesn't stack up against AIRBORNE PARTICLES WHICH YOU ARE IGNORING AS A METHOD OF TRANSMISSION. (sorry for the caps.)

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@chomalungma Maybe you ought to read this- and the 3rd bullet point about airborne transmission.

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html

The virus can live in the atmosphere for hours.

Social distancing helps but it's not a guarantee by any means.[/quote]
You don't need to tell me about the virus and airborne transmission.

I understand that you are at risk if you have been in the same room as someone.

But we are told that only people who are close contacts need to self isolate.

So that's not true then, is it.

@AaronPurr it's NOT the government, it's local councils' Health and Safety advisors because a family member is doing that day to day.

The virus can live in the atmosphere for hours

Of course, which is why F2F meetings should be avoided, why can't johnson follow his own guidance?

Social distancing helps but it's not a guarantee by any means

See above.

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@chomalungma It's not your choice whether to follow the rules. It's law and you can be fined. The rules are there because ON BALANCE they protect more people.

I have seen too many examples where people SAY or THINK they are socially distant yet the space between them is NOT 2 mtrs.

And your argument doesn't stack up against AIRBORNE PARTICLES WHICH YOU ARE IGNORING AS A METHOD OF TRANSMISSION. (sorry for the caps.)[/quote]
Have you read the Government guidelines that define what a close contact is?

@chomalungma so what's your definition of 'close contact'. Is that not someone in the same office?

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@chomalungma so what's your definition of 'close contact'. Is that not someone in the same office?[/quote]
Government Guidance

www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-for-contacts-of-people-with-possible-or-confirmed-coronavirus-covid-19-infection-who-do-not-live-with-the-person/guidance-for-contacts-of-people-with-possible-or-confirmed-coronavirus-covid-19-infection-who-do-not-live-with-the-person

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@AaronPurr it's NOT the government, it's local councils' Health and Safety advisors because a family member is doing that day to day.[/quote]
And where are the local councils getting their advice from?

a person who has had face-to-face contact (within one metre), with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19, including:
being coughed on

having a face-to-face conversation within one metre

having skin-to-skin physical contact, or
contact within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact

a person who has been within 2 metres of someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 for more than 15 minutes

a person who has travelled in a small vehicle with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 or in a large vehicle or plane near someone who has tested positive for COVID-19

Where an interaction between 2 people has taken place through a Perspex (or equivalent) screen, this would not be considered sufficient contact, provided that there has been no other contact such as any of those indicated above.

Because Gov doesn't control the virus. Even if you followed every single rule, you may still get the virus.
As I see it, to stop the spread, you need to lock people down completely and not let them out. But it's not a variable option, so the mask wearing, sd, hand washing, ventilating, no big gathering, etc, is the best option. But still, people get it. To minimise the spread is best we can do.

@Nottherealslimshady

If you get told by track and trace to isolate then just isolate. Why are people looking for loopholes? People have constantly looked for loopholes so they can carry on doing what they want, just bloody follow the guidelines to bring the cases down. Social distancing isn't 100% so just social distancing wont stop you getting it. Social isolation will stop you passing it on.

People are just desperate to find any loophole or claim they just don’t understand the rules.

I’ve been listening to totally made up bollocks about ‘isolation bubbles’ and how it’s ok to go to other homes while isolating so long as you’re in an ‘isolation bubble’ all bloody weekend.

I’m fed up with trying to explain what bollocks that is.

So, what made this meeting so important that Anderson had to meet F2F with Johnson, given that we’re supposed to be WFH and Ashfield has a high number of cases?

People are just desperate to find any loophole or claim they just don’t understand the rules

What loophole are people trying to find?
Have you read the guidelines for a close contact?
Can you point out the rule that appears to have been broken (assuming Boris is correct when he says he has followed the guidelines)

There is no loophole that I am trying to find.

Oh come on it's obvious this is political. Boris has made a song and dance of saying he'll isolate, clearly to send a "the rules apply to everyone, we're all in this together" vibe and try to encourage more compliance with lockdown.