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AIBU or would you feel coerced/controlled by this lunchtime pizza behaviour?

127 replies

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 15:04

There is a lot of background to my question, so I’m not sure that the average Mumsnet poster would feel the same way as me, if they have not experienced control or coercion in an intimate relationship before. But I’d be interested in your perspectives.

I’ve been married to my husband for over ten years and a couple of years ago I realised that he was exhibiting coercive and controlling behaviour, usually at a lowish but very consistent level. A counsellor ‘tipped me me’ off by highlighting that his behaviour was on the coercive spectrum (in that instance he was refusing to help with the kids bedtime until I tidied up some mess HE had made in the garden). There have also been some significant instances of being made to do things that I don’t want to do, but I won’t go into that here.

Today, he moved a pizza from the bottom to top oven, taking it out of its tray and putting it on the rack directly. When I came to remove it it has melted everywhere and made a mess. I asked him why he hadn’t used a tray and he said there wasn’t one. I opened the bottom oven to show him that he actually removed the pizza from a tray. He then said he hadn’t seen it (once he couldn’t deny it). I asked why he kept doing this when I’d asked him before to use a tray. I said as he made the mess he could sort it out, and then I left the kitchen. No raised voices, no ‘having a go’ but just several questions and an expression of displeasure.

He then refused to eat lunch with the kids and I because he said I was being ‘irritable’ and he didn’t want to be around me. He used to do this a lot in the past. What worries me about this incident is a) maximising my behaviour - I honestly don’t think it was unreasonable to raise the issue with him but whenever I do something he doesn’t like he ‘maximises’ my behaviour by branding it unreasonable/irritable/flying into a rage etc. b) I felt coerced by his refusal to join lunch - he’s basically making it clear (as he has on many other occasions) that if I raise an issue with him I run the risk of him boycotting our family lunch (so next time I’m less likely to raise any issues, so as not to rock the boat). I should be clear that he doesn’t do this with every issue I raise and sometimes does take stuff on board, but he is very quick to boycott meals if I raise something before a meal. Equally if something comes up after a meal during clear up (once the kids are in bed), he threatens to leave the house to ‘remove himself from me’ (which in practice means that I end up doing the clear up by myself - so again it makes me not want to raise stuff).

So my question is, am I being unreasonable or over sensitive to feel uncomfortable/coerced/controlled by his behaviour? I feel so worn down by his behaviour over time and he’s always telling me that I’m the problem, so I now have little confidence in my own feelings and judgement. Would therefore appreciate others views.

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LibrariesGiveUsPower45321 · 15/11/2020 15:07

I think it’s more about a pattern of things, I’d he’s like that regularly then yes it raises flags.

Refusing to eat lunch with you in particular.

PumpkinCheater · 15/11/2020 15:10

Yes, he has worn you down and it sounds like he is consistently behaving like this.

He is your enemy, not your friend.

Caselgarcia · 15/11/2020 15:15

I wouldn't bow to his threats, if he doesn't eat lunch with you, fine, eat with the kids and don't leave any for him. If he threatens to leave, fine, let him go. Don't make excuses for his behaviour in front of the kids, say 'daddy doesn't want lunch' or 'daddy wants to leave for a while as he's upset'. Don't change Your behaviour, carry on as normal. Make him change his behaviour.

doctorhamster · 15/11/2020 15:23

I think you might be married to my 12 year old Confused

96315id · 15/11/2020 15:25

Why are you with him?!

KurriKawari · 15/11/2020 15:28

He sounds horrible and you deserve so so so much better.

LuaDipa · 15/11/2020 15:32

@Caselgarcia

I wouldn't bow to his threats, if he doesn't eat lunch with you, fine, eat with the kids and don't leave any for him. If he threatens to leave, fine, let him go. Don't make excuses for his behaviour in front of the kids, say 'daddy doesn't want lunch' or 'daddy wants to leave for a while as he's upset'. Don't change Your behaviour, carry on as normal. Make him change his behaviour.
This is great advice. Just ignore his tantrums in future. He is trying to hurt you and keep you in your place. Don’t let him know he is bothering you.

Long term I would consider leaving. You and your dc shouldn’t have to deal with this. You deserve better.

Bluntness100 · 15/11/2020 15:33

To be honest it’s really hard to tell from one daft argument over a pizza and some mess if you’re in a coercive controlling relationship. It could be you are, or it could be he wanted to move the pizza to the top shelf. Didn’t think it through or pay attention he just moved it and he’s now feeling got at. Or it could be he’s putting thought into how to coerce and control you and it’s deliberate.

Hard to tell from one petty incident but you say it’s a pattern so.

Sirzy · 15/11/2020 15:37

@Caselgarcia

I wouldn't bow to his threats, if he doesn't eat lunch with you, fine, eat with the kids and don't leave any for him. If he threatens to leave, fine, let him go. Don't make excuses for his behaviour in front of the kids, say 'daddy doesn't want lunch' or 'daddy wants to leave for a while as he's upset'. Don't change Your behaviour, carry on as normal. Make him change his behaviour.
This is perfect advice
Unusualllly · 15/11/2020 15:42

DH "I'm not eating with you" .

You: "No worries, I need to turn the oven on at 4.30 to put the steak pie in, so you'll need to have it cleaned up by then. Kids let's eat I'm starving!". No more discussion, be happy maybe say "fancy watching that new series this evening with me" so he knows your not grumpy.

Onjnmoeiejducwoapy · 15/11/2020 15:47

His behaviour is silly but as you say yourself it’s about a pattern over time, not about a single incident. You don’t give the background but it sounds like the background is the key to it—how extreme was his behaviour before?

Nottherealslimshady · 15/11/2020 15:50

I dont understand why you're focusing on trying to explain and label his behaviour instead of thinking "fuck this, I dont have to put up with this" and leaving him.

SocialBees · 15/11/2020 15:50

He sounds like a complete dickhead OP.

Jeezoh · 15/11/2020 15:57

It sounds like it’s a pattern dysfunctional behaviour where at a basic level, he punishes you for stepping out of line. In the examples you’d given, I would try not to react to him removing himself from meals, just carry on as you without him. If he goes out and leaves work for you to do, I’d do your “share” and leave the rest for him when he returns.

Longer term, I’d make plans to leave as if the examples are a pattern, you’re settling for a life of constant anxiety for you bubbling away under the surface of all interactions with him.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 15/11/2020 16:00

I think being a bit defensive when you've made a stupid mistake is normal.

I think dishing out 'punishments' such as refusing to eat with your entire family, over a perfectly reasonable and minor comment, is completely over the top and agree it is designed to stop you raising issues in the future. So yes controlling.

Eckhart · 15/11/2020 16:01

The issue isn't anything to do with how anyone else would feel in this situation. The issue is that you admit he's ground you down so far that you can't tell if you're right to feel the way you do about a pizza being put on a different shelf, and yet you are not making plans to leave him.

Why are you focussing on an issue about where a pizza has been put in the oven, whilst allowing your children to grow up in a house where emotional abuse is the norm?

Ragwort · 15/11/2020 16:05

I've just read your other thread, honestly, just stop trying to analyse everything and focus on separating - as you both seem to want to.

Hellolonelyhearts · 15/11/2020 16:07

@Kerals26
This is your second thread today regarding your husband.
You are both living in misery and divorce has been mentioned.
Life’s too short to live like this, walking on eggshells and you won’t be doing your poor children any favours by sticking together.

Lucked · 15/11/2020 16:07

Hard to tell from one bad day but if it is a pattern then yes.
Occasionally me and DH will fall out over a trivial thing so I can see how pizzagate started. I would be completely normal with him now, you have said you peace and asked him to clear up. Don’t clean the oven though!

Let us know how he is for the rest of the day.

mooncakes · 15/11/2020 16:11

Sounds like he has a good strategy to avoid cleaning up after himself and stop you challenging him.

Did he clean the oven or was he too busy having a strop?

BuntysTwinkle · 15/11/2020 16:22

GET A DIVORCE. Your marriage is shit. Don't slowly kill each other with these micro aggressions, let the dickhead go and ruin as many ovens as he likes. You will clearly be much happier when you have personal control over your own environment.

Waveysnail · 15/11/2020 16:23

Let the huffy nowt have lunch by himself and I'd be telling him that he is being a twat.

Waveysnail · 15/11/2020 16:27

Have you both tried marriage counselling? Well if your going to stay. Otherwise I'd be thinking about leaving.

He acts like a child. Let him leave the house if he threatens and dont clean up. Sit down with a nice drink.

I think you have to view this as in what are you getting out of the marriage? How are you being treated?

Eckhart · 15/11/2020 16:30

@Waveysnail

Counselling is contraindicated when one of the partners is abusive. The abuser may well be capable of manipulating the situation/counsellor to further demean the abused partner.

OP has stated that he is coercive and controlling.

Eckhart · 15/11/2020 16:31

*couples counselling, I mean. One to one counselling for OP is the way forward, to support her in leaving and recovering from the relationship.

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