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AIBU?

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AIBU or would you feel coerced/controlled by this lunchtime pizza behaviour?

127 replies

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 15:04

There is a lot of background to my question, so I’m not sure that the average Mumsnet poster would feel the same way as me, if they have not experienced control or coercion in an intimate relationship before. But I’d be interested in your perspectives.

I’ve been married to my husband for over ten years and a couple of years ago I realised that he was exhibiting coercive and controlling behaviour, usually at a lowish but very consistent level. A counsellor ‘tipped me me’ off by highlighting that his behaviour was on the coercive spectrum (in that instance he was refusing to help with the kids bedtime until I tidied up some mess HE had made in the garden). There have also been some significant instances of being made to do things that I don’t want to do, but I won’t go into that here.

Today, he moved a pizza from the bottom to top oven, taking it out of its tray and putting it on the rack directly. When I came to remove it it has melted everywhere and made a mess. I asked him why he hadn’t used a tray and he said there wasn’t one. I opened the bottom oven to show him that he actually removed the pizza from a tray. He then said he hadn’t seen it (once he couldn’t deny it). I asked why he kept doing this when I’d asked him before to use a tray. I said as he made the mess he could sort it out, and then I left the kitchen. No raised voices, no ‘having a go’ but just several questions and an expression of displeasure.

He then refused to eat lunch with the kids and I because he said I was being ‘irritable’ and he didn’t want to be around me. He used to do this a lot in the past. What worries me about this incident is a) maximising my behaviour - I honestly don’t think it was unreasonable to raise the issue with him but whenever I do something he doesn’t like he ‘maximises’ my behaviour by branding it unreasonable/irritable/flying into a rage etc. b) I felt coerced by his refusal to join lunch - he’s basically making it clear (as he has on many other occasions) that if I raise an issue with him I run the risk of him boycotting our family lunch (so next time I’m less likely to raise any issues, so as not to rock the boat). I should be clear that he doesn’t do this with every issue I raise and sometimes does take stuff on board, but he is very quick to boycott meals if I raise something before a meal. Equally if something comes up after a meal during clear up (once the kids are in bed), he threatens to leave the house to ‘remove himself from me’ (which in practice means that I end up doing the clear up by myself - so again it makes me not want to raise stuff).

So my question is, am I being unreasonable or over sensitive to feel uncomfortable/coerced/controlled by his behaviour? I feel so worn down by his behaviour over time and he’s always telling me that I’m the problem, so I now have little confidence in my own feelings and judgement. Would therefore appreciate others views.

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Brownbananabandana · 15/11/2020 18:44

Fuck that, seriously, this is your life and what you have to think about and worry about on a daily basis s leave the bastard and learn what it is to life a life free of bullshit

HallieKnight · 15/11/2020 18:45

Ah ok I read your other thread. It really is ok to brake up because it's not working out. Neither of you has to be the "bad guy". An amicable split is the best thing for the kids too. Both of you want out, and that's ok.

Milliepossum · 15/11/2020 18:47

Hi OP, I was in an abusive marriage for more than 2 decades. Your post reminded me of low level things that were done to irritate me so that I would react, he would then say I was always shouting etc. He never did anything in the kitchen, his favourites were to walk into the TV room where I was watching a show by myself, pick up the remote and change the channel like I wasn’t there, then feign surprise that I would mind, followed by a comment on how unreasonable I was being. The other favourite was walking into a room , seeing me happy, then saying ‘what’s wrong with you?’ and pecking away until I reacted. Again he would get to the point of making me feel like there was something wrong with me. It was all him causing drama so that he would feel better about himself cheating on me, as in, who could blame him when he was married to such a bitch that was ‘always’ shouting? And yes, he would remove himself from the house to meet someone to have sex with, or he would go upstairs to lock himself in a room to wank to on demand porn on KIK. I only realised all this from records I found after he died. The confusing thing is it’s not all the time, it’s peppered between them being normal so seems like little blips. But they’re not little things, they are abuse. Well, now there is no one to bother me and guess what, I don’t spontaneously get shouty either. You probably need to work out what’s really going on but if you feel constantly undermined it might be better for your health to get out of the marriage. Passive aggressive abuse is awful and causes the victim stress which in a lot of cases leads to both mental and physical health issues.

GabsAlot · 15/11/2020 18:47

i think along with yourother thread you know he is controlling-trying to set the narrative about ending your marriage but not tellin you when

just go-hes not going to change

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 18:57

Good question - the bottom oven wasn’t working so he moved it to the top oven. I appreciated that, but not the mess.

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quizqueen · 15/11/2020 19:00

He doesn't want the pizza - more for you and the kids - his problem if he's hungry. Leave the mess in the oven for as long as you can stand it, without further comment, or till he decides to clean it. Stop being his audience.

Pebbledashery · 15/11/2020 19:05

God the refusing to eat lunch with you bit bought back flashbacks. My narcissist ex used to utterly refuse to eat any food I had made for dinner or lunch when he was having one of his episodes, I used to make him packed lunches every day and he used to leave them behind just to spite me, I used to do the food shop and ended up wasting hundreds on uneaten or wasted food, he also used to utterly pathetic things like if I had bought bread and milk, he'd buy his own and use his own. It was such pathetic behavior. Just you saying that has bought back flashbacks!!
There's definitely red flags in your marriage OP - take it from me, it doesn't get better.. it just gets worse.

Fouroclockonamarblemorning · 15/11/2020 19:10

It sounds like neither of you are working as a team. Why didn’t you want to help him clear up the garden. I think you also made a big deal about the pizza.
I’m not saying he was in the right, or that you were in the wrong but you both need to pick your battles.
It seems like a sensible thing to do for him to remove himself from the situation if it was getting heated. Surely that’s better than staying and an argument escalating.
It doesn’t sound to me that he’s being abusive as such, more that he’s an arse but how he makes you feel is what’s important. If you feel that way then you need to make a plan to move forward without him.
If he’s deliberately making you second guess yourself all the time then that’s a horrible thing to do and you’re probably feeling on pins. I don’t think anyone should feel like this in a relationship.
If you feel he’s abusive then counselling is pointless and could be harmful for you.

frazzledasarock · 15/11/2020 19:11

I’m surprised at the number of posters who’d be clearing up the mess made by their partner for doing something you’ve reminded them a thousand times not to do.

If my DH had done something like that he’d have noticed the mess himself, cleaned it and sorted out an alternative lunch.

I wouldn’t have been bothered by it as it wouldn’t be my mistake to sort out.

mummyoneboy19 · 15/11/2020 19:13

From reading both your threads today OP I can’t help but think there’s fault on both sides - I’m not saying he’s not abusive because he may be, but it seems to me more that you’re incompatible as a couple and behaviour on both sides is worsening as a result of your incompatibility and unhappiness.

You seem fixated on getting people to agree that he is abusive - you’re both unhappy and want to split, so why is this necessary? You both have an out, so take it and stop dragging it on. Life is too short for all this, and psychoanalysing every small behaviour and event is just wasting time that you could both spend being happy separately.

m0therofdragons · 15/11/2020 19:17

Totally missing the point but pizza instructions usually say to put directly on the shelf as using a tray makes the base soggy. I think you over reacted and criticised him and he reacted badly but as an individual incident it was totally blown out of proportion.

Mummacake · 15/11/2020 19:20

OP your post and further replies show that you are aware of the problem. I would out money on things being far more unpleasant than this and having been there, it will only get worse. Do the courses, is highly recommend the freedom programme and the Lundy Bancroft book, Why Does He Do That? This behaviour is not going to improve and is not good for your children to observe and consider normal. Do yourself a favour and let him have a divorce - it'll be a lot better for your mental health and general well-being.

madamgazellesmate · 15/11/2020 19:35

YANBU. His behaviour is out of order. You now recognise this which is a good step. I hope the answers on this post give you the confidence to stand up to him or not let him grind you down as much.
I don't know your exact situation but none of it is your fault. You could sink to his level and leave his mess for him to deal with or tell him to stop his behaviour, grow up and clean it up. He is also punishing his and your child, point that out to him. If he does bugger off, enjoy lunch with your child... and maybe change the locks Halloween Grin

MessAllOver · 15/11/2020 19:48

Sounds like he's using strops to get out of doing things he doesn't want to do. He flounce out and you're left to deal with the mess and the kids.

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 19:48

It’s not about psychoanalysing it for the sake of it - it’s because he has made me doubt myself so much over the years that I question my own perception and sanity. I just want to know whether others would find his behaviour out of order and it supports me in knowing I’m not just being over sensitive (which is what I am always told).

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 19:49

Mummacake - this is the tip of the iceberg.

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Avebury · 15/11/2020 19:57

He just sounds nasty - this is not someone who is on your team and brings any joy to your life. It is also not a good example of a healthy relationship to set your children. It's no way to live and quite telling that your parents would be keen for you to divorce. I wish you the strength to get out and live a full and happy life where you only have to give headspace to the feelings of people who care for you. This man doesn't.

Blonde87 · 15/11/2020 20:08

Would he behave like that with anyone else other than you? Or if his Mum or one of his friends were there would he behave the same in front of them? x

kesie123 · 15/11/2020 20:11

Bringing flashbacks to me too. Definitely leave him - those with NPD only get worse and it's an awful thing for children too. When I left 14 years ago coercive control wasn't heard of - but Lundy's book was a life saver - understanding of these men (and v occasional women) has moved on so much. You are so nearly there - it's scary to end a marriage but you've been treading on eggshells for years and once he's out from your house you and the children will be SOOOO much happier.

custardbear · 15/11/2020 20:19

Bloody hell, I'd be absolutely calling him out on his defensive, gaslighting behaviours here. I'd be hard and walk unless he make a dramatic U turn - doubtful he would, don't just allow this nonsense to continue OP - good luck

Classicbrunette · 15/11/2020 20:31

Caselgaria has said the right thing.

Rise above him. If he’s going to act like a teenager then treat him like one.

Just be the bigger person.

Get him an Xbox for Christmas, it might keep him out of your hair Grin

Doggybiccys · 15/11/2020 20:38

OP your posts are hard to read. He is abusing you. I think you know it but are a tad in denial. Please get support and get out.

MzHz · 15/11/2020 21:34

@Pebbledashery

God the refusing to eat lunch with you bit bought back flashbacks. My narcissist ex used to utterly refuse to eat any food I had made for dinner or lunch when he was having one of his episodes, I used to make him packed lunches every day and he used to leave them behind just to spite me, I used to do the food shop and ended up wasting hundreds on uneaten or wasted food, he also used to utterly pathetic things like if I had bought bread and milk, he'd buy his own and use his own. It was such pathetic behavior. Just you saying that has bought back flashbacks!! There's definitely red flags in your marriage OP - take it from me, it doesn't get better.. it just gets worse.
Mine too.

I hear Saatchi used to refuse Nigel food and insist on nursery type stuff

Anything to deny her the acknowledgment that she’s done something well

Mine killed my Venus fly trap
Mine told my BFF husband that I’d been in a mental institution for 5 years

The teeny tiny detail these awful specimens will go to to hurt us knows no bounds

Understand this, and you know the only answer to this is to leave a man like this

Arthersleep · 15/11/2020 21:41

You say that there are more instances than just the pizza and his reactions do seem immature. However, perhaps he is also reaching the end of his tether too. Perhaps he feels micromanaged or unduly criticized, hence his reaction. You've bought up the issue of divorce with him, had counseling, left him for a while and reported him to social services (according to your other post). Perhaps he is feeling unappreciated and as though he can do nothing right. He sounds as though he's being very defensive. This doesn't sound like a happy marriage at all.

justilou1 · 15/11/2020 21:48

The answer to “We will just have to agree to disagree” would be a breezy “Okay... as long as you get the oven clean.” And walk off. Show him that he’s not getting to you.

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