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AIBU or would you feel coerced/controlled by this lunchtime pizza behaviour?

127 replies

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 15:04

There is a lot of background to my question, so I’m not sure that the average Mumsnet poster would feel the same way as me, if they have not experienced control or coercion in an intimate relationship before. But I’d be interested in your perspectives.

I’ve been married to my husband for over ten years and a couple of years ago I realised that he was exhibiting coercive and controlling behaviour, usually at a lowish but very consistent level. A counsellor ‘tipped me me’ off by highlighting that his behaviour was on the coercive spectrum (in that instance he was refusing to help with the kids bedtime until I tidied up some mess HE had made in the garden). There have also been some significant instances of being made to do things that I don’t want to do, but I won’t go into that here.

Today, he moved a pizza from the bottom to top oven, taking it out of its tray and putting it on the rack directly. When I came to remove it it has melted everywhere and made a mess. I asked him why he hadn’t used a tray and he said there wasn’t one. I opened the bottom oven to show him that he actually removed the pizza from a tray. He then said he hadn’t seen it (once he couldn’t deny it). I asked why he kept doing this when I’d asked him before to use a tray. I said as he made the mess he could sort it out, and then I left the kitchen. No raised voices, no ‘having a go’ but just several questions and an expression of displeasure.

He then refused to eat lunch with the kids and I because he said I was being ‘irritable’ and he didn’t want to be around me. He used to do this a lot in the past. What worries me about this incident is a) maximising my behaviour - I honestly don’t think it was unreasonable to raise the issue with him but whenever I do something he doesn’t like he ‘maximises’ my behaviour by branding it unreasonable/irritable/flying into a rage etc. b) I felt coerced by his refusal to join lunch - he’s basically making it clear (as he has on many other occasions) that if I raise an issue with him I run the risk of him boycotting our family lunch (so next time I’m less likely to raise any issues, so as not to rock the boat). I should be clear that he doesn’t do this with every issue I raise and sometimes does take stuff on board, but he is very quick to boycott meals if I raise something before a meal. Equally if something comes up after a meal during clear up (once the kids are in bed), he threatens to leave the house to ‘remove himself from me’ (which in practice means that I end up doing the clear up by myself - so again it makes me not want to raise stuff).

So my question is, am I being unreasonable or over sensitive to feel uncomfortable/coerced/controlled by his behaviour? I feel so worn down by his behaviour over time and he’s always telling me that I’m the problem, so I now have little confidence in my own feelings and judgement. Would therefore appreciate others views.

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LindaEllen · 15/11/2020 16:33

If my DP had done that with the pizza, he would apologised massively, cleaned it all up, and either made another meal or ordered a takeout for us instead.

It is 100% his fault, you are right to feel annoyed and be grumpy about it (if that's what you were being) and no, he doesn't have the right to tell the kids he's not eating with them for any reason that's your fault - because that's just not true whatsoever.

There's not a huge amount to go on with regards to the overall relationship etc, but what you've written doesn't sound great.

Coyoacan · 15/11/2020 16:35

Counselling is contraindicated when one of the partners is abusive. The abuser may well be capable of manipulating the situation/counsellor to further demean the abused partner

Instead of marriage counselling, it might be good for you to get some counselling for yourself, OP. And then you can think about whether you can deal with and put up with this behaviour or whether you would rather get a divorce

ImMoana · 15/11/2020 16:36

I wouldn’t use the word coercive in this scenario but it sounds very immature behaviour. He didn’t like you pointing out the mess he made and he didn’t want to clean it up himself so to make a point he didn’t eat with you.

Tbh I’d be more concerned about what your children are learning from his behaviour. It’s very childish.

Thehop · 15/11/2020 16:40

Why are you still with him OP?

ragged · 15/11/2020 16:49

I asked why he kept doing this when I’d asked him before to use a tray.

You sound very assertive OP. Your demands about pizza tray use sounds as controlling as his sulk in response. You're as bad as each other.

Reading that anecdote reminds me why I want to live alone when an old person. I don't want to deal with people who get het up over my pizza tray habits.

bobby81 · 15/11/2020 16:49

As a one off incident it’s very childish behaviour but as others have said if there is a pattern of this kind of behaviour then yes it’s coercive. I say this as someone who previously suffered many years of coercive control / emotional abuse and it can be an incident like this (seemingly trivial) that pushes you to see the bigger picture of your relationship. I also agree with pp that counselling for yourself may be a good first step rather than couples counselling. Best of luck x

Historydweeb · 15/11/2020 16:51

Fuck me this sounds tedious. I'd come down hard on this kind of bollocks.

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 16:54

Great advice and yes I’ve been doing this since I cottoned onto what the counsellor highlighted re behaviour on the coercive spectrum. I got on and had a lovely Skype call with my parents, explained why Hubs wasn’t there (no loss to them - they’re desperate for me to divorce him). Sticking firmly and calmly with fair and reasonable boundaries is the way to go (and models to our kids how to do that) but in the long run it’s not sustainable for me, or healthy for them. It’s hard to immune to his behaviour all the time; it gets me down.

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Agingdisgracefully · 15/11/2020 16:54

Your husband is a twat.
You deserve better

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 16:55

Yeah pretty sure he has arrested development after a difficult childhood. I’d say his emotional intelligence is not beyond a 12 year old!

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 16:56

Pretty bad - have a concurrent post with this one which will give you some insights. 🙄

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 16:58

Yep - we can all be a big defensive, especially in the moment. But it’s the ‘punishments’ that bother me.

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WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 15/11/2020 16:58

After your other thread today I'm totally unsure why you stay with him, he's a nasty bastard. Tell him YOU have set the time line, & he can leave now to find his next partner... set him free!!! & enjoy your life wuth you kids!!

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:00

Thanks Eckhart. This is the heart of it isn’t it - I’ve been worn down to the point where I don’t know my own mind anymore and I doubt myself. That says it all.

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ArosGartref · 15/11/2020 17:02

If your husband has told you he wants to get divorced, I wouldn't fixate over the fact he can't cook a pizza with a tantrum.

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:07

I’ve just looked and he didn’t clear it up. He ignored me after lunch. I asked him for a chat and explained that a) I didn’t think my point was unreasonable and b) I didn’t want to be controlled or coerced by fear of family lunches being boycotted if I raised anything. He said ‘we’ll have to agree to disagree’, refused to do ‘reflective listening’ (which he always wants me to do for him) and stormed out saying ‘I don’t have to put up with this’. So much for explaining my feelings and resolving things before he went to work.

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Hamm87 · 15/11/2020 17:08

Maybe he just does not want to eat with someone so critical 🤷 you say he does this after you said something 🤔 both as bad as each other

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:08

Lucked - just posted in reply to someone else what happened next.

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:09

Waveysnail - not well. Have another post on AIBU today. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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MintyMabel · 15/11/2020 17:13

No such thing as a coercive spectrum.

Someone is either trying to control you with coercion or they aren't. You can't be a little bit coercive.

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:14

Great point again Eckhart. Psychology Today have a great article about how abusers can manipulate counselling. We did half a year of sessions many years ago and he has since refused to do any more saying I used the sessions for ‘vengeance’. I therefore did several years of solo counselling where the main focus was on how to better ‘handle’ him. We then did a few sessions recently and his main issue has that I didn’t say anything positive in a session. I’m thinking of doing some domestic abuse counselling to get some support on this and/or finding a counsellor who is trained to spot emotional abuse.

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:17

Thanks Bobby. Glad to hear things have improved for you x

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:19

It wasn’t a demand. It was a question. I also took the position that it was fine if he didn’t want to use the tray but that then he needed to clear up the consequent mess - that is entirely fair.

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Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 17:20

Thanks Minty. I hadn’t thought of it that way, just took the counsellor’s use of a ‘spectrum’ as received wisdom.

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MumbleJunction · 15/11/2020 17:23

Life is just so short to put up with shit like this.

YES you can end your marriage over a pizza. And it sounds like you will be all the happier for it. I honestly cannot imagine a more joy-sucking setup.