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AIBU or would you feel coerced/controlled by this lunchtime pizza behaviour?

127 replies

Kerals26 · 15/11/2020 15:04

There is a lot of background to my question, so I’m not sure that the average Mumsnet poster would feel the same way as me, if they have not experienced control or coercion in an intimate relationship before. But I’d be interested in your perspectives.

I’ve been married to my husband for over ten years and a couple of years ago I realised that he was exhibiting coercive and controlling behaviour, usually at a lowish but very consistent level. A counsellor ‘tipped me me’ off by highlighting that his behaviour was on the coercive spectrum (in that instance he was refusing to help with the kids bedtime until I tidied up some mess HE had made in the garden). There have also been some significant instances of being made to do things that I don’t want to do, but I won’t go into that here.

Today, he moved a pizza from the bottom to top oven, taking it out of its tray and putting it on the rack directly. When I came to remove it it has melted everywhere and made a mess. I asked him why he hadn’t used a tray and he said there wasn’t one. I opened the bottom oven to show him that he actually removed the pizza from a tray. He then said he hadn’t seen it (once he couldn’t deny it). I asked why he kept doing this when I’d asked him before to use a tray. I said as he made the mess he could sort it out, and then I left the kitchen. No raised voices, no ‘having a go’ but just several questions and an expression of displeasure.

He then refused to eat lunch with the kids and I because he said I was being ‘irritable’ and he didn’t want to be around me. He used to do this a lot in the past. What worries me about this incident is a) maximising my behaviour - I honestly don’t think it was unreasonable to raise the issue with him but whenever I do something he doesn’t like he ‘maximises’ my behaviour by branding it unreasonable/irritable/flying into a rage etc. b) I felt coerced by his refusal to join lunch - he’s basically making it clear (as he has on many other occasions) that if I raise an issue with him I run the risk of him boycotting our family lunch (so next time I’m less likely to raise any issues, so as not to rock the boat). I should be clear that he doesn’t do this with every issue I raise and sometimes does take stuff on board, but he is very quick to boycott meals if I raise something before a meal. Equally if something comes up after a meal during clear up (once the kids are in bed), he threatens to leave the house to ‘remove himself from me’ (which in practice means that I end up doing the clear up by myself - so again it makes me not want to raise stuff).

So my question is, am I being unreasonable or over sensitive to feel uncomfortable/coerced/controlled by his behaviour? I feel so worn down by his behaviour over time and he’s always telling me that I’m the problem, so I now have little confidence in my own feelings and judgement. Would therefore appreciate others views.

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Arthersleep · 15/11/2020 21:50

I think that @mummyoneboy19 has hit the nail on the head.

Ritascornershop · 15/11/2020 22:00

@Pebbledashery - the food thing reminded me of my exh too. He’s constantly claim I was “trying to poison” him and he’d take his food into the kitchen and cook it just a bit longer to make some kind of point (about I “can’t do anything right” I suppose). But if it was going to poison him surely he’d want to recook the kids’ food too?

He’d also act up so much during meals, shrinking his head into his shoulders like a turtle in between shouting at the kids that I’d say “if eating with us is so upsetting maybe it would be better if you ate in the kitchen” & he’d slope off and eat alone.

He was a fucking menace & we were so much better off without him.

SimplyRadishing · 15/11/2020 23:34

Stop analysing this.
Don't waste time on therapy.

Get a divorce.

CSIblonde · 16/11/2020 00:01

He thinks removing himself is punishment. Show him it's not. Carry on as normal. I'm guessing you have to go begging forgiveness for your ' don't. Manipulative & yes, bordering on coercive.

CSIblonde · 16/11/2020 00:01
  • sin , not 'don't'
Ameliablue · 16/11/2020 00:04

It sounds like he was perhaps trying to be controlling but from your description, it doesn't sound like he succeeded on this occasion.

Fromthebirdsnest · 16/11/2020 00:06

He's being emotionally abusive you need to leave before your children think this is normal bbehavior x

Eckhart · 16/11/2020 07:05

I therefore did several years of solo counselling where the main focus was on how to better ‘handle’ him

I can't understand why a counsellor would encourage this. It's basically condoning abuse and teaching you ways of continuing to be a victim of it.

Sceptre86 · 16/11/2020 07:09

Ltb, honestly what does he bring to the marriage that insensitive? Does he add anything to your life? If the answer is no then it is time to make some difficult decisions. There is no point complaining every few weeks about him when his behaviour is unlikely to change. Make a choice and stick to it.

A regular person would have just apologised for making a mess in the oven and cleaned it. He isn't 5 years old that he gets in a huff when called out on daft behaviour. Couple this with his controlling behavior and checking out of family time for you to the leg work, honestly he doesn't appear worth the effort.

Sceptre86 · 16/11/2020 07:10

*that is positive, not sensitive

Eckhart · 16/11/2020 07:11

At the time I hadn’t spotted the abuse patterns and we thought he was challenging due to autism/ADHD/Aspergers traits/very difficult childhood etc. Had been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and bend over backwards to do what I could to change the dynamic

This highlights the faultline in your thinking. It's not an either/or. If someone is abusive because of their upbringing or a psychological condition, that doesn't mean they are not abusive. It gives a reason for their behaviour but it doesn't mean that the behaviour is any more acceptable.

It's never up to the victim to change to accommodate the abuse. It is either up to the perpetrator to take responsibility and stop abusing, or up to the victim to leave. There are no other options.

Kerals26 · 16/11/2020 08:24

Completely agree Eckhart. Now I’m aware it’s abuse I don’t try and handle it ‘better’, I recognise it and firmly stand my ground. This is what he finds challenging and infuriating and then tries to turn back on me. There is no accommodating an abuser and, despite his poor upbringing, he remains fully responsible for his behaviour as an adult.

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Kerals26 · 16/11/2020 08:28

I don’t think she had any experience of emotional abuse and just didn’t spot the themes. I feel like the training covers psychological abuse but it’s not picked up in practice as much as it can be so hard to pin down. A bit like medics now being trained to ask ‘could this be sepsis’ when a patient presents with a range of symptoms, I think any mental health professional should ask themselves ‘could this be abuse?’. I think we’ll get better as a society over time.

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MzHz · 16/11/2020 11:50

She might have seen you weren’t ready to hear about being abused

It could mean you run for the hills and you’d lose the support you had

Arthersleep · 16/11/2020 21:14

I find it interesting that, in your other thread, you admit that you also left the house on another occasion to cool off and wouldn't tell your husband where you were going or where you were (he ended up calling the police as he feared that you were suicidal?) So, if you have done this in the past, then could he be following suit and also stepping out/away from the situation to cool off? This whole relationship just sounds so unhealthy. You don't sound at all compatible. And you're clearly both very miserable. Time to move on.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 10:37

@Arthersleep

I find it interesting that, in your other thread, you admit that you also left the house on another occasion to cool off and wouldn't tell your husband where you were going or where you were (he ended up calling the police as he feared that you were suicidal?) So, if you have done this in the past, then could he be following suit and also stepping out/away from the situation to cool off? This whole relationship just sounds so unhealthy. You don't sound at all compatible. And you're clearly both very miserable. Time to move on.
No, it wasn't that he was 'following suit'. The incident where I left to get some space followed him humiliating me in front of a neighbour and being very derogatory to me. Me leaving to get some space was a sensible thing to do to de-escalate a situation where he acted unacceptable and where I was, understandably, hurt and angry. Him refusing to join a family lunch after I asked him to fix spilling pizza in the oven is hardly comparable. I'm surprised you would even try and draw a comparison between a once off incident and an ongoing pattern of behaviour from him.
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AryaStarkWolf · 18/11/2020 10:41

as a once off I wouldn't think much but it isn't a once off. That garden clean up story was way worse and a bit sinister actually

MzHz · 18/11/2020 10:53

@Kerals26

Is THIS how you want to live? How you want to your kids living? How you want them to grow up and emulate your relationship with new similar partners?

Do something now Save yourself, save your kids and save your family.

Your dp is awful and he makes you unhappy. This is now way to live

I’ve walked this talk and I can’t tell you how much better it is not fearful all the time of what’s about to hit me from a resentful and bitter man intent on upsetting me and my dc.

Northeastmum93 · 18/11/2020 11:22

Reading both of your posts it seems fairly clear that he enjoys making you feel on edge with his behaviour. He’s fully aware that his actions are making you less inclined to raise an issue with him, your walking on egg shells and he knows it. Fuck this OP kick him out!

ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 18/11/2020 11:29

Everything @MzHz said. The idea of leaving is usually more scary than the reality. I’ve now had six happy single years with my dc, and I wouldn’t go back for all the money in the world.

Whatisthisfuckery · 18/11/2020 11:36

OP I suspect this is the tip of the iceberg. Yes, you’re right, he’s doing it for control. As PPs have said just ignore his tantruming and get on with it, but long term, yes, you do need to leave, because you only get one life.

MsHedgehog · 18/11/2020 11:51

Even without the background information, that behaviour is not OK and very manipulative. Rather than admitting he made a mistake (giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was a mistake) he sought to punish and penalise your whole family by not joining you for lunch. That is controlling behaviour in that it's designed to play mind games.

That is not ok, and you do not need to put up with it. It is not for us to tell you to leave your husband without knowing the full extent of your marriage, but we can tell you that you that the way he is behaving is unacceptable.

longwayoff · 18/11/2020 11:52

He's a pig. Don't wait for him to remove himself from the situation. Coat, keys, off you go. Leave him to it.

Kerals26 · 18/11/2020 12:30

For those that asked why I haven't left, this is probably the heart of why: I'm terrified of him having unsupervised access to the children and something happening to them - see thread below. When I tried raising concerns with SS before they fobbed me off and said my concerns weren't significant enough. Unless I can get protection in place for the children, I'd rather be in the marriage and in the house so I can try and mitigate the risks to them.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4082825-AIBU-to-have-concerns-about-my-husbands-attitude-to-our-childrens-safety?msgid=101863056

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Jellycatspyjamas · 18/11/2020 12:39

What you’ve described is classic gaslighting designed to make you doubt yourself, it’s a form of coercive control. I can understand you’re reluctance to leave and your worry about him having unsupervised access to your children, but I’d also consider the harm being done to them in the current environment. There are no easy answers but you’re right to think of his behaviour as abusive.