Vaccine-feeling worried

[2020yearfromhell]

I’m feeling really worried about this gradual
push to possibly have to have the vaccine, they say they won’t force us, but will likely make you unable to travel, go to festivals etc etc without it, so basically it is almost as if we’re being forced.
Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one.
Anyone else feeling nervous? I really don’t want it as no idea what it is.

Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one

that really is a stupid thing to say. Have you not heard that many hospitals are overrun with covid patients and that people with other serious illnesses are being turned away? do you not realise that deaths (both from covid and other things) will skyrocket if we don't have a vaccine? And that returning to normal life is impossible without?

Someone upthread mentioned seatbelts. I am old enough to remember when they came in. At first they were optional. The rumours and conspiracy theories were much the same. Only after they became compulsory was the evidence of a massive reduction in RTA fatalities obvious.

I know your game btw OP. Is the government paying you to deter people? That's one way of reducing demand for a very oversubscribed product. What's your payment? Jump the queue for the vaccine?
I'll have remember this for future anti vaxx discussions.

@gah2teenagers

Lloyd’s travel insurance small print now says you are only covered if you have had a gov recommended covid vaccination if one is available.

I'm curious as to how this will work. I'm 45 and will most likely be way down the list and DH is 66 so will be further up. I presume it will mean that, until I am able to have it we may not be able to go on holiday together (or at least with me being insured), go to concerts etc. I'd happily pay for the vaccine to get my life back (although I appreciate this probably isn't ethical).

It would be a big unreasonable to demand proof of vaccination when a large proportion of people will have had coronavirus mildly or with no symptoms and are therefore most likely immune. Proof of immunity might make more sense if there is a plan to introduce travel restrictions.

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@pointythings

It's high time that research methods became part of the core science GCSE package - it would prevent so much of the ignorance on this thread.

I totally agree with you

It's threads like this which make me think that the teaching of critical thinking and logic should be a compulsory part of the school curriculum

And you @MoonJelly

It would be a big unreasonable to demand proof of vaccination when a large proportion of people will have had coronavirus mildly or with no symptoms and are therefore most likely immune

But it has been found that immunity doesn't last. I agree that proof of immunity is a good idea though.

I think some trepidation is normal, but that by the time you are offered the vaccine your concern will be relieved by the volume of people already vaccinated.

I also think people mocking you to try and silence any discussion and dissent are worth avoiding. Any time you aren’t allowed to talk about all sides of an issue is the time to be more concerned.

The worst that will happen is a very small minority may get transverse myelitis or Guillian Barre

Yes and that worst could be very bad for some people. For example:

"Although some people recover from transverse myelitis with minor or no residual problems, the healing process may take months to years. Others may suffer permanent impairments that affect their ability to perform ordinary tasks of daily living."

"Most people with Guillain-Barré syndrome make a full recovery within a few weeks.
However, around 1 in 5 people are left with long-term problems"

Yes "on balance" there is a need for this vaccine but I don't think it's right to pressurise or coerce individuals who decide they would rather risk Covid than the above. I already have fibromyalgia so I know what living day after day with a chronic condition feels like. It's not fun.

I am only just 51 so I will probably be offered the vaccine at some point, but am on the far low end of the age group eligible for it. I haven't made up my mind either way yet. I want to know a lot more before I decide.

@Doveyouknow

No one is suggesting a law will be passed stopping unvaccinated people won't be allowed to go to concerts! Venues might put in place a requirement but it's not a law and it's likely to be completely impossible to police. How will a venue know if you have had the vaccine, they don't have access to their gp records.

I am also not sure what further tests people want them to do in this extra time they should take. They will have completed phase 3 trials and tested it on thousands of people.

Maybe so but I think unless you have a clinical reason why you can't be vaccinated I'd like it to be mandatory for flying once it's freely available. In any case it seems reasonable for other countries to require vaccination. If travel insurance are asking for it I think that's quite right too.

@NottinghamForestFan

Don't be daft. It will not be mandatory and restrictions will not be put in place for those who do not have it

I very much hope you're incorrect. I want there to be restrictions for international travel.

I very much hope you're incorrect. I want there to be restrictions for international travel.

So do I, but only once the vaccine is available to everyone and not just certain groups

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I very much hope you're incorrect. I want there to be restrictions for international travel.

So do I, but only once the vaccine is available to everyone and not just certain groups

Point taken. Negative test required for those travellers then. That's what I'd want to see in place.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I very much hope you're incorrect. I want there to be restrictions for international travel.

So do I, but only once the vaccine is available to everyone and not just certain groups

Why wait (many months, maybe a few years?) to open up international travel to everyone? I'll be happy for others to travel as soon as they can. I'm low down in the priority list for getting vaccinated, I don't want to make everyone wait for me before they are allowed to travel.

I accept that people would likely wait for their husband/wife/kids as holidaying without them is less fun.

Why wait (many months, maybe a few years?) to open up international travel to everyone? I'll be happy for others to travel as soon as they can. I'm low down in the priority list for getting vaccinated, I don't want to make everyone wait for me before they are allowed to travel.

I accept that people would likely wait for their husband/wife/kids as holidaying without them is less fun.

People who aren't able to get the vaccine could still travel with a negative covid test. You can't stop a huge amount of people travelling because they haven't had a vaccine that they aren't offered. It'll be the final nail in the travel industry coffin if they do that.

I accept that people would likely wait for their husband/wife/kids as holidaying without them is less fun.

To be honest if DH (who will get the vaccine earlier than me) went on holiday without me I would seriously rethink our marriage and he would find himself spending a lot more time on his own!

I do think it won't be too long after the vaccines are rolled out until they're available privately anyway.

OP I have just seen this on the BBC:

Ticketmaster has denied reports that fans will be required to prove they've had a vaccine or a negative Covid-19 test before attending concerts.

The story arose from a report in Billboard magazine, which said the company wanted to use smartphones to verify fans were free of the disease.

While Ticketmaster is exploring such an idea, it said there will be "absolutely no requirement" for mandated vaccines.

"We are not forcing anyone to do anything," it said in a statement.

08:08ramblingsonthego

paintedsmile77

The deadly virus that you have to get tested for to see if you have it.

Like HIV then
Not really like that though is it.

@paintedsmile77

08:08ramblingsonthego

paintedsmile77

The deadly virus that you have to get tested for to see if you have it.

Like HIV then
Not really like that though is it.

Well yes it is like that. HIV can be deadly and you have to test if you have it. So exactly the same as covid19.

COVID19 - catch from people you pass in the supermarket, work with, have a meal/drink with, do an exercise class with, sit next to in a bus/plane/cinema etc
HIV - catch from intimate contact or infected blood etc

The risk of exposure is not even close to being "exactly the same".

@Ysgutxx

COVID19 - catch from people you pass in the supermarket, work with, have a meal/drink with, do an exercise class with, sit next to in a bus/plane/cinema etc HIV - catch from intimate contact or infected blood etc

The risk of exposure is not even close to being "exactly the same".

I think you have missed the sarcasm from my post. Painted was being sarcastic saying oohh its so deadly you have to be tested to know you have it. My comment was not about exposure, my comment was about you have to test to know if you have it.

@likethatbutcat How weird..! It was everywhere yesterday 🤷🏻‍♀️

Unfortunately you taking your chances forces others to take your chances too.

How so? The pro-vaccine posters and their families will all have had the vaccine, so presumably they will all be protected by the wonder miracle 100% safe drug.

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

I wish you'd stop repeating this rubbish. The current case mortality rate in the UK is 4%

coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

and is more than double that in some other countries. I also think that an hour observing patient care on a hospital covid ward would change your mind.

@MissConductUS

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

I wish you'd stop repeating this rubbish. The current case mortality rate in the UK is 4%

coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

and is more than double that in some other countries. I also think that an hour observing patient care on a hospital covid ward would change your mind.

Yep. And then there's also Long Covid.

Affecting sufficiently large numbers to require the cash strapped NHS to set up UK wide treatment clinics.

Still, like I keep saying. The more anti vaxxers the merrier. It's exactly what we need when supplies of vaccines will be (initially) so limited.