Vaccine-feeling worried

[2020yearfromhell]

I’m feeling really worried about this gradual
push to possibly have to have the vaccine, they say they won’t force us, but will likely make you unable to travel, go to festivals etc etc without it, so basically it is almost as if we’re being forced.
Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one.
Anyone else feeling nervous? I really don’t want it as no idea what it is.

I was just talking to DH about these threads and showed him to op.

If it was one ok but it's a few threads.

The vaccine isn't even approved yet. It will go first to higher risk countries and higher risk people I assume. Lower risk people in UK, a country with decent infrastructure etc will not be offered it for ages. If at all. They might just vaccinate the highest risk and let everyone else get on with it.

So why these threads? What purpose do they serve? I mean obviously to scare people / make them think twice. But why? To what end?

That's what I find worrying tbh.

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

But you're happy to risk their health by placing them in danger of catching Covid? It takes all sorts, I suppose.

Still, like I keep saying. The more anti vaxxers the merrier. It's exactly what we need when supplies of vaccines will be (initially) so limited.

I agree, but the problem is that two years from now they'll still be turning up at A&E with covid, needing a bed, O2 support, etc. And I'll want to slap them.

@onemachine

How can anyone say there are no long term effects without having tested it over a long term? Why has the government needed to remove any aspect of liability from the drug companies if it is, as they say, safe?

Really surprised how nobody on here seems to care for our basic human rights anymore. People should be able to have a choice, whether you agree with their opinion or not, it’s their body. Shouldn’t we all be supporting that?

After all, you don’t see exercise and healthy eating mandatory but that would arguably go a long way to reducing diabetes, heart disease and some cancers, which are the biggest killers (yes, all above Covid)

Totally agree

@MissConductUS The mortality rate is below 1%. It appears higher in some countries, like the U.K. because for a long time they were only testing the very ill people that ended up in hospital. That rate has dropped as more and more people have been tested in the community - those who experience only mild symptoms and don’t require hospital admission. When you also factor in the number of people who have had it asymptomatically (many studies have found this in around 60% of cases and some in up to 80%) and therefore wouldn’t have been tested, then the fatality rate is well below 1%.

I have a degree in a related subject and will have the vaccine as soon as I can. Everyone I know with science qualifications or who has bothered to do their research (not just read random crap online) feels the same. I am sick of all the conspiracy theory bollocks

Just to clarify - this is IFR and does vary among age groups - with older people being more likely to die from the disease (as we already know).

@MissConductUS

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

I wish you'd stop repeating this rubbish. The current case mortality rate in the UK is 4%

coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

and is more than double that in some other countries. I also think that an hour observing patient care on a hospital covid ward would change your mind.

And I wish you would stop peddling this rubbish and check your facts.

The mortality rate is NOT 4% - the UK stopped testing altogether at the absolute peak of the first wave. We have no idea how many people were infected - but we know it was significantly higher than the official numbers.

In the meantime, I won’t be risking my health or my family’s by taking an unknown vaccine against a virus that only kills about 1% of people who catch it.

This makes no sense, why would anyone gamble that they won't be that 1% when the stakes are so high? If you lived in a street of 99 other households and the police told you one household would be killed during the night but you can ensure it's not you by fitting this lock to your door, would you get the lock or would you take your chances that you wouldn't be the 1 in 100?

And death isn't the only risk. There is long covid, lung damage, and a whole lot of other long term effects starting to come to light including emerging evidence that around 1 in 5 covid patients develop psychiatric disorders.

@2020yearfromhell

I’m feeling really worried about this gradual push to possibly have to have the vaccine, they say they won’t force us, but will likely make you unable to travel, go to festivals etc etc without it, so basically it is almost as if we’re being forced. Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one. Anyone else feeling nervous? I really don’t want it as no idea what it is.

Don't have it, then. I'll have yours because I desperately need to get back to living my life.

October 2020 updates/corrections on IFR:
The CDC has changed the IFR values of Covid-19 into age-specific estimates, which are now very low at 0.003% for 0–19 years, 0.02% for 20–49 years, 0.5% for 50–69 years, and 5.4% for 70+ years.

I’m not sure why people are putting so much weight on the idea of needing a vaccine to get back to normal. I can understand why people in those higher risk groups might want it for peace of mind but for those with low IFR it’s hardly necessary to get back to your day to day - particularly if you continue with some basic hygiene precautions.

Another paper from imperial college covid response team here Good breakdown of IFR by age group on page 11.

So you don’t travel or go to concerts or festivals then, your choice 🤷🏻‍♀️

Vaccines are not all about protecting the individual, and 99% survival rate is neither here nor there: hospitals are full of patients who will survive, but consequently many other tests, treatments etc. for other conditions are being postponed, delayed or cancelled.

@NiceGerbil

I was just talking to DH about these threads and showed him to op.

If it was one ok but it's a few threads.

The vaccine isn't even approved yet. It will go first to higher risk countries and higher risk people I assume. Lower risk people in UK, a country with decent infrastructure etc will not be offered it for ages. If at all. They might just vaccinate the highest risk and let everyone else get on with it.

So why these threads? What purpose do they serve? I mean obviously to scare people / make them think twice. But why? To what end?

That's what I find worrying tbh.

I think people are scared and have a need to discuss. We are all more isolated than ever. News is difficult to trust and distill. Even the well informed can benefit from hearing what others are thinking, reading, hearing.

I have trouble understanding why so many today believe they need to shut down all conversation and questioning.

yabu

I think an IFR of 5.4% in the over 70s is something to be very concerned about - these are people who are still able to live full lives, people who have families and loved ones, people who in some cases are still working. Thinking that they are somehow dispensable and that not protecting them by not being vaccinated is OK suggests very questionable moral values.

And as mentioned above, there's Long COVID. The cost of that to the NHS and the wider economy would be astronomical if we let the virus run wild.

Someone called me last night and I thought of this thread. It’s a relative that is older, has been sheltering for months and taking all precautions and has adverse reactions to most all medications. The complaint was the opposite of what OP is worried about:

“They are going to give all the vaccine away and we won’t get any!”

My reply was, “Some people are afraid they’ll be forced to take it. You’d be one to normally decline anyway so if that’s the case be glad of it. We don’t know what will really happen. Turn off the news.”

We need to be able to talk to each other to calm our fears.

At least they are trying it out on the old people first, as they have less to lose if it all goes wrong, and it will free up the NHS resources as well

@VeganVeal

At least they are trying it out on the old people first, as they have less to lose if it all goes wrong, and it will free up the NHS resources as well

Um, you're joking, aren't you?

@VeganVeal

At least they are trying it out on the old people first, as they have less to lose if it all goes wrong, and it will free up the NHS resources as well

Since it doesn’t always translate, I do know you’re being sarcastic.

I just read that Australia won’t be giving the Pfizer vaccine to anyone younger, vulnerable or older without extensive testing. Now I can’t find where I read that but did read about the additional testing planned and it really gives a high level of confidence.

@bumbleymummy that's a really useful report - thanks for sharing.

@pointythings re Thinking that they are somehow dispensable and that not protecting them by not being vaccinated is OK suggests very questionable moral values.

No, thinking that I can understand why people in the at risk categories with higher IFR should be offered the vaccine first so they can choose themselves if they want that protection - rather than relying on huge numbers of other people having the vaccine which won’t happen for a long time.

All the anti-vaxxers suddenly fuming they won’t be allowed in festivals and to travel abroad 😂

I’m a bit wary of this vaccine - I’m not an anti-vaxxer, far from it, I’ve had pretty much every vaccine going - but I’m not desperate to have this one at the moment. My view might change. But the vaccine damage payment scheme exists for a reason.

I’m not worried because I think some of the things you’ve mentioned are just fake news. And I reckon if you’re healthy and under 50 you’ve got a long time to wait before you’re even offered it. Also the estimated proportion of the population who need to have the vaccine in order to achieve herd immunity seems to vary wildly, but in any case it’s much lower than I thought, so I just don’t think it’ll be the case that you’ll be refused entry to events etc without being vaccinated.

I will not be having a brand new vaccine injected into me. If it's proven to be safe on a massive scale for the next 5 years then I'll consider it. There are so many risks to vaccines, especially rushed ones, people have faith in the scientists and the doctors but all people make mistakes.
The virus isn't a massive risk to me, I'm young, a healthy weight, no underlying conditions, it's not worth the risk of a new vaccine.

I have researched the vaccines my child will have for years and decided which they'll have and when they'll have them. We've opted to have most of them because the benefit outweighs the risk, but they'll be on an extended schedule and one at a time in case there are any issues. DH developed epilepsy after his measles vaccine as a child, started that night and continued throughout his childhood so we're too aware of the potential risks.

If others make a different decision then good for them.