Vaccine-feeling worried

[2020yearfromhell]

I’m feeling really worried about this gradual
push to possibly have to have the vaccine, they say they won’t force us, but will likely make you unable to travel, go to festivals etc etc without it, so basically it is almost as if we’re being forced.
Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one.
Anyone else feeling nervous? I really don’t want it as no idea what it is.

“ A large body of research into RNA vaccines and vaccines for coronaviruses existed before the pandemic and a lot of it was applicable to the vaccine development”

Yes, but mainly for smaller groups of cancer patients. this is the first time RNA vaccines have been used for an infectious disease on such a large scale.

There is an interesting interview here with Professor Isabelle Bekeredjian-Ding, head of the microbiology division of Germany’s Paul Ehrlich Institut.

For those worried about the speed with which vaccines have been developed. Money has been thrown at this project - funding processes etc have been expidited. There has also been huge international cooperation, sharing the structure of covid as it mutates etc.

Also, covid19 might be new but coronoviruses are not. Vaccines were already being researched for other coronoviruses - scientists have been able to use this research to get a head start. If it wasn't a variation of an already known virus type, we probably wouldn't be as close to a vaccine.

And, no, it won't last for years and years. Covid is a coronovirus. Like flu. Which requires an annual vaccine.

And lucky you if you live in an area where hospitals aren't overwhelmed but that is not the case everywhere in the UK.

There was a very good article non the Times a few months ago explaining that the various vaccine developers had agreed with one another not to cut corners- an ineffective or dangerous vaccine would not only risk strengthening the virus, it would also destroy the community confidence necessary to ensure sufficient take up or the virus. I wouldn't rust a vaccine being developed oil Russia or China, but otherwise, it is simply not in the interests of any Pharma company to rush this through. Pfizer, Astra-Zeneca etc are conducting massive, thorough trials and are being open about the progress of those trials. No vaccine, no drug is 100% free of risk but right now, a properly tested vaccine is the best option we have, both as individuals and as communities. The ant-vax position is downright irresponsible

Sorry "take up of the vaccine"

Don't have the vaccine then. Doesn't bother anyone else if you don't. I will have it once I'm able to, which will be a while anyway and I'll be encouraging my parents to as they are late 70s so will probably be eligible fairly early on.
However if you don't have it then yes of course your choice will be restricted. You can't have it both ways. I don't understand people who say they want life back to normal but won't do anything to ensure that happens.

There are lots of papers out there that explain why the vaccine was given priory and why funding and expertise were granted to it so quickly. The starting point wasn't zero. The vaccines are based on other research already started.

The main reason other vaccines take longer are done to things such as funding rather than then actually not being able to do it.

Some countries already have vaccine requirements, such as for yellow fever.

Even if it is a requirement for ravel then it's still a choice. For most people travel abroad is a choice. Don't want the vaccine, then done travel to the lances that require it.

Going to a festival or concert is a choice, pretty much a luxury choice for many. It a private event decides it's an entry requirement than it's a choice still.

I would imagine that there would be medical exemptions for all of these too, to cover those who cannot have vaccines.

And then some may allow you to avoid having the vaccine so long as you have a negative test within days of going and/or arrival or have quarantine restrictions in place for unvaccinated people who aren't medically exempt.

I'm recovering from Covid and on my 5th week of absence from work with it. I'll have a vaccine rather than have this again. I'm clinically vulnerable but under 50, so it may be a little while but I'll be signing up as soon as I can.

@paintedsmile77

The deadly virus that you have to get tested for to see if you have it.

Like HIV then?

I also have a flu vaccine annually. I'm eligible for it and have one every year.

After having flu just before her year 10 mock GCSEs my now 18y Dd chides to have a flu vaccine annually too, which we pay for. She initially did it to reduce the risk of suffering again for her team exams.

Have had COVID and absolutely don't want to go through that again. I will literally be stood outside my GP with my sleeve rolled up and ready to go once vaccine stocks come through...

Ii don't understand people who say they want life back to normal but won't do anything to ensure that happens

Yes this! Probably the same people berating others as “selfish” throughout the pandemic

How much would the Covid test cost before entering an event, aren’t they around £120 per test normally? Could make things expensive for some people

Please have a little look at this video and see that although the vaccine has been developed quickly it's not been rushed.
www.facebook.com/the.university.of.oxford/videos/825841578250872/

I feel sorry for the vaccine developers because it’s not so long ago that people wanted a vaccine & now we have one people don’t want one.

My concern is that if you are bottom of the list for getting the vaccine, which may need repeat doses for ongoing protection, your turn may never arrive, as the repeat doses for priority cases may take all vaccine resources.
Does that mean you are excluded from events or travel that require you to have had the vaccine even if you want to have it? Trying to time a test to coincide with buying tickets or travelling/attending something may mean it becomes impossible to coordinate, and would you even get your money back if you got a positive test?
Many people could be prevented from participating in many things through no fault of their own.

How much would the Covid test cost before entering an event, aren’t they around £120 per test normally?

The PCR test is around that price. I believe the LAMP test, as they are using in Liverpool, is much cheaper (and quicker).

[quote 2020yearfromhell]@Heyahun And possibly airlines/flights abroad too? I live abroad and would like to actually be able to travel over to see my family at some point.[/quote]
Well then you'll probably need to have the vaccine or not go - it's still a choice.

If I want to go to Zanzibar via Kenya I have to have a yellow fever vaccination and certificate (or proper medical exemption certificate) otherwise Zanzibar won't let me in. It's still a choice, I can choose not to have the vaccine but then I am choosing to exclude myself from being able to travel to Zanzibar.

Given how this has spread through the world due to people travelling, and closed down one country after another as a result, I would be exceptionally surprised if vaccination doesn't become a requirement for travel to a lot of countries when there is one widely available.

By all means choose not to have it, and enjoy your domestic holidays

I'm waiting for the vaccine to be available to children. Our DS has a heart condition. He can go to school and, in theory, he's at no more risk than the average child, according to his consultant. But adults with his particular condition were shielding at the start of this. He can't have the vaccine as it stands at the moment as it's only for adults.

On a second note, doctors are saying this will probably only protect the individual from Covid or stop it being so bad. It probably won't stop transmission in the community. So if you don't/can't have it then the only way to protect yourself will be some form of restriction - or take your chance. That's fine for those who choose not to have it - it's your choice and if restriction of some sort feels better that's fine. But I'll find it annoying if there isn't something available for those who can't have the vaccination. However, as there are at least two coming through the pipeline, hopefully there will be something for everyone who wants it.

More and more countries are beginning to insist on testing on arrival and certificates to prove you're covid free before you can get into any accommodation for holidays. I think, once a vaccination is in place, that will change to a vaccination certificate like you have for typhoid etc in some countries. Even my cat can't go into a cattery for the duration of our holiday without an up to date vaccination certificate so I don't see the difference - I choose whether she is vaccinated or not.

It's high time that research methods became part of the core science GCSE package - it would prevent so much of the ignorance on this thread.

feel sorry for the vaccine developers because it’s not so long ago that people wanted a vaccine & now we have one people don’t want one.

I disagree, there are many people who said they wouldn't have it right at the very start. Give it to the vulnerable people if they want it.

Look at it like this: if you had the choice between injected with COVID, or the vaccine for COVID, which would you choose? Because effectively that is the choice you are leaving for yourself.

The reason they are 'pushing' this to the elderly and the vulnerable is because our NHS is on it's arse dealing with people dying every day. Yes, a lot of people don't even realise they have it, but the ones that do, and get extremely sick are the ones placing the pressure on the NHS which means other parts of treatment fall by the way side.

The worst that will happen is a very small minority may get transverse myelitis or Guillian Barre (which you can also get from any virus or vaccine if you are pre-disposed to it).

I'd take that over being dead or infecting someone else who may die.

feel sorry for the vaccine developers because it’s not so long ago that people wanted a vaccine & now we have one people don’t want one.

It’s just people posting more. On other threads people very much do and are debating over who should be higher priority. I have no doubt demand is great (bigger than current supply ordered)

Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one

WOW. There really are people who don't ever read a newspaper, listen to the radio, watch current affairs programmes...or even follow the odd fucking link of FB.

How can ANYONE be this clueless? This completely uninformed, this...stupid? 1.3m dead, the world in turmoil, and people still don't understand the first thing about it.

WOW.

It's threads like this which make me think that the teaching of critical thinking and logic should be a compulsory part of the school curriculum.

You're right about one thing. You won't get past check-in without a valid vaccine stamp in your passport and with Bob Hope chance of getting your money back , so all those declining the chance of a vaccine, might be worth investing in a bigger tent. It's gonna have to last.

I've possibly been already given a vaccine as I am taking part in a trial .So I suppose that automatically makes me pro-vax.
But I'm the same age as you and assuming you're healthy, that puts both of us right in the bottom of the queue for any vaccine. By which time there will be more info.

But having researched the topic quite extensively and being part of a trial , I can tell you I have no doubt about any approved vaccine being safe. Is worth the (miniscule) risk to protect us - and potentially everyone we come into contact with (arguably more important- than covid.

It won't be forced upon you, but I think quite reasonable that life will get back to normal for those that have it, more quickly.