Vaccine-feeling worried

[2020yearfromhell]

I’m feeling really worried about this gradual
push to possibly have to have the vaccine, they say they won’t force us, but will likely make you unable to travel, go to festivals etc etc without it, so basically it is almost as if we’re being forced.
Why the sudden rush through of it and such a need for it from day one.
Anyone else feeling nervous? I really don’t want it as no idea what it is.

I keep seeing this and do not get it. Many illnesses you have to be tested for to see if you have them. Why not this one?

Because a few short months ago it was dropping people like flies. Now no-one even knows if they have it unless they take a test 🤷‍♀️

Suss, much 🤔

LizaE we have some treatments now.

But have you looked at hospital admission data? Have you looked at the way deaths are spiking? Hospitals in my area are already on black alert - and mostly that is because of rising COVID admissions. Nothing suss about this - we're in wave two. The reason we are now picking up asymptomatic cases is testing, but deaths and hospital admissions are as bad now as they were in May. Please educate yourself.

@Simarilion I think people are talking about narcolepsy from the GSK Pandemrix vaccine that was developed in response to the swine flu pandemic of 2009.

BMJ article: Pandemrix vaccine: why was the public not told of early warning signs?

everyone I know in real life is questioning this (aside from my parents) I’m so surprised about the majority of responses on here, it really doesn’t tally up with most things I’ve heard.
Either (I) the people you are talking to @2020yearfromhell are agreeing with you for the sake of avoiding an argument.
(ii) you are only having this conversation with people who you know agree with you (iii) you are only remembering the conversations you had with people who agree with you.
In the kindest possible way I would suggest that you deal with your anxiety in general before fixating on this particular topic.
If you weren't worrying about this, what would you be worrying about?

The doctor leading the Oxford vaccine used her three adult children as part of her trials. You dont test something on your children unless you are very sure of its safety.

@HannaYeah - so good to see a voice of reason and moderation on here. Thanks to you and other posters who have shared information rather than trying to browbeat, shame or ridicule.

Some posters have commented that anyone with concerns is ignorant, doesn’t understand science. Not sure why this is being sneered at - not everyone is highly educated in science, no. Doesn’t mean they are incapable of digesting information or that don’t believe in science. The right response in those who don’t have the background knowledge to appraise a situation is surely to be cautious and ask questions. So share knowledge and information.

As for posters who think your right to employment should be dependent on having a vaccination, all I can say the authoritarian streak running through many people is far more frightening than COVID. Totally disproportionate response. Thankfully, can’t see this ever happening.

We’ve lost the ability to recognise nuance and are so quick to label people who disagree as bots, conspiracy theorists, bad actors. The polarisation and aggression in any kind of debate makes me worry for the future.

As for posters who think your right to employment should be dependent on having a vaccination, all I can say the authoritarian streak running through many people is far more frightening than COVID. Totally disproportionate response. Thankfully, can’t see this ever happening.

My career is based on providing advice to employers and I can absolutely see this happening. It’s nothing to do with an authoritarian streak but wanting to protect their workforce and their business. Covid is incredibly disruptive when it gets into a workplace. Many workplaces employ vulnerable people that might have to shield if the workplace is unsafe. There are jobs NOW that require staff to have had certain vaccinations. I can see no reason why that can’t be extended by employers if they wish. You would be free to find alternative employment.

@Byllis

Thank you for that. You are a breath of fresh air.

People posting their concerns are here to engage. If their minds were made up they’d likely not bother posting. It’s a great place to share knowledge and information as well as concerns and general feelings.

We really need the opportunity to discuss important issues and gain better understanding of one another in the world right now. It’s definitely made me think more deeply to read the reasonable responses here.

@Byllis 👏👏👏
100%
Really quite bizarre how things can’t be simply discussed with opinions being simply shut down or my thoughts put down to ‘Anxiety’

I just read that Australia won’t be giving the Pfizer vaccine to anyone younger, vulnerable or older without extensive testing. Now I can’t find where I read that but did read about the additional testing planned and it really gives a high level of confidence.

It drives me a bit batty when people do this, i.e. cite some news that supports what they've been saying but cba to give the source, or god forbid, provide a link.

I thought this would be easy to find with google, and here's what I can up with:

TGA gives Pfizer COVID vaccine provisional determination

This is the first step in the approval process. There's no mention of requiring any extraordinary testing. I also found this:

Australia's order of 10m doses of Pfizer Covid vaccine is not enough, Labor warns

So Australia has ordered 10 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and the public outcry is that it's nowhere near enough.

These two news items don't directly contradict @HannaYeah's uncoborated statement, but they paint a very different picture, don't they?

The reason I'm skeptical is that medical regulartory authorities have very well defined approval processes for new interventions. You either pass or you don't. I've never heard of one saying "lets throw a few more on the pile" before seeing the final phase 3 trial data, and it's even less likely during a pandemic for a potential vaccine.

@2020yearfromhell

Yes it was the Ticketmaster report I saw earlier on today and I’m guessing lots of other things will follow suit. So effectively, if we want to live a normal life, it will force us to have it. No one else scared?! It’s been made in such a short time, in a really weird period of time, I really don’t want it, my anxiety’s heightened even thinking about it.

That's not quite what the report said. They said they'd integrate a system where you either show evidence of the vaccine in last year OR a negative covid test in last 24-72 hours.

Totally understandable given the circumstances.

I wouldn't have the vaccine atm. But if I wanted to go to an event enough I'd have to accept having a test to go.

@2020yearfromhell

I understand where you're coming from but everyone needs to take a bit of responsibility for their own knowledge. Every time a thread like this starts up about 100 posters all come on and say the same things "it's been rushed", "long term side effects".

Some people aren't constructive I accept but lots of people do try to provide information and link to sources to try and reassure people. Very few posters show any sign of reading or exploring that information and then 100 more posters come on to say the exact same thing as the others clearly having not read the thread or looked into any of the information provided at all. Eventually it gets frustrating!

Here’s some very helpful direct info re: Australia but it is not what I mentioned upthread.

www.pm.gov.au/media/australia-secures-further-50-million-doses-covid-19-vaccine

I’ll try to find it again.

@MissConductUS

Sorry I didn’t post a link. But I wasn’t citing anything that I’ve “been saying”

I haven’t been saying anything except this is a positive conversation to be having. I don’t really have an strong opinion either way. I think people need to gather their own info and make their own decisions about their own health.

Here is one article mentioning holding off on giving the vaccine in Australia. Kind of short on citing sources though.

www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208963349001

Which mentions this clip.

www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/most-vulnerable-to-be-prevented-from-receiving-pfizer-vaccine/video/9ffb8060e5b9b5e074915f368039b4df

Please bear in mind I’m not familiar with these news organizations and have no idea if they are respected and trustworthy.

Here's a link to anything CV related in Australia
www.health.gov.au/resources

This is their vaccine agreement
www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/vaccines-and-treatments/australias-vaccine-agreements

Bit longer news clip with more info but still not citing the source of the info.

www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/elderly-pregnant-women-and-children-to-miss-out-on-first-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine/video/0b65dc97bc16a6e87241d3a2e7fca1df

I do feel happy that there will be more testing by various governments and organizations to make sure every vaccine is safe - I think that should give people a higher level of confidence.

It always intrigues me how other countries are dealing with this compared to us.
Scrolling through the link I posted, I found Austalias symptom list

www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/10/coronavirus-covid-19-identifying-the-symptoms_2.pdf

www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/11/australian-covid-19-vaccination-policy_1.pdf

Pending further understanding of safety
and efficacy in different population groups,
it is likely that the first doses will be given to
priority populations (see ‘prioritisation’).

This?

@canigooutyet

Thank you. I prefer reading direct source info like what you’ve posted.

I only skimmed but don’t see anything in your links that lines up with what the links I posted are saying. Therefore I question my links completely.

I'm the same Hanna. I see something on whatever site claims to deliver news and then go and find the source.

As a result I now have countless links to countries own policies.

Lots of countries have a similar stance to Australia with the vaccines. Only those who it's been thoroughly tested on, not mandatory, and for those who it hasn't been tested on - age, underlying health conditions etc- they will do their own testing to ensure it is safe before it's rolled out.
There was some furore during the week apparently as one of their ministers said it would be compulsory which the PM has denied.

Upon further reading of what's going on in Australia, they won't be imposing restriction connected with the vaccine. Although do admit that tourists might have to have them, but something about depending on what the rest of the world will do.

CanIGoOutYet

“As a result I now have countless links to countries own policies.”

That’s pretty awesome.

Sky News and Courier Mail are not reliable news sources fyi.

I can hardly wait for a vaccine. It’s taken all year - hardly feels rushed! I’m much more worried about the hundreds of thousands who may die before a vaccine is released. On a personal level if there is a vaccine by early next year I have a small chance that I might get to see my lovely aunt again.

Not sure if anyone's read this, but it's an interesting read about the logistics of the vaccine roll out.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/resource/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/is-the-covid-des-worth-practices-while/

Hmmm... if a country doesn’t make a vaccine mandatory for its own citizens how could they justify travellers having to have it?

Mumsnet doesn’t seem to be an intelligent place anymore. Each time I come back I am struck more by this.