To think the vaccine shouldn't be given out by age criteria?

[studychick81]

I know the data says that the majority of people who get the virus and are most seriously ill or die are the elderly, over 82. But I was quite surprised by the potential order of giving out the vaccine.

1. people in care homes and care home workers- fair enough.

2. over 80s and health care workers.

3. age order oldest- youngest.

4. I don't agree with this. Surely all health care workers should get it before all people over 80? Shouldn't those 50 plus who have underlining issues which means catching it could be deadly get it over a normally healthy over 80 year old?

5. should kids who live with vulnerable adults/grand parents get it before a fit and healthy 40 year old?

6. should teachers, education workers get it before a fit 40 year old?

@Fungster

I haven't read the first 30 pages of the thread, so perhaps someone has already raised this point. Assuming the vaccine is rationed initially until supply meets demand, I actually question if elderly/care home residents should be on the short list at all.

Bearing in mind that life expectancy in the UK is 81, I think from a utilitarian position the vaccines should be prioritized over people who would get more "return" from it. Should we leave younger people vulnerable in order to potentially extend the lives of the very elderly and/or infirm? I'm not sure if we should.

So in other words don’t give it to the groups who are overwhelming the NHS? Great plan. That’ll solve loads

It’s not about whether people give a shit or not. It’s that repeatedly making threads about how you personally are impacted is extremely selfish.

@VinylDetective

There is a pneumonia vaccine which gives lifetime immunity. That’s why I won’t be having one, pneumonia is a friend if you have dementia.

Ours here in the USA is good for one year only, but I get it religiously! Right along with my flu shot. And my COVID vaccine, when that becomes available!

Once again, the OP specifically mentioned teachers.

Don’t like my posts, don’t read them. Want the thread to go in a different direction? Post something interesting and generate a discussion about that.

The teacher rhetoric IS tedious. The teachers I know in RL thankfully don't behave as if they are on the front line in an actual war.

‘Why do threads keep being about teachers’ complain posters who keep banging on about teachers.

I think teachers have had a shit time in many ways, but to get back to considering how the vaccination should be doled out (as queen giraffe demands, otherwise you are ‘moaning’ or ‘weird’) it’s preposterous trying to shove teachers ahead of those who are actually dying in large numbers.

I’m all for keeping school open; I’m also all for teachers getting a vaccine ASAP- not before the clinically vulnerable or medical staff etc

I’m currently doing supply at my school today on my one day off as we have so many teachers out isolating. I’m about to teach year 11 physics... which I’ve not done since I was in year 11 myself, 20 years ago!!!!

@howaboutholly

I think teachers have had a shit time in many ways, but to get back to considering how the vaccination should be doled out (as queen giraffe demands, otherwise you are ‘moaning’ or ‘weird’) it’s preposterous trying to shove teachers ahead of those who are actually dying in large numbers.

Who is trying to shove teachers first? One poster earlier in the thread and literally no one else.

@OverTheRainbow88

I’m all for keeping school open; I’m also all for teachers getting a vaccine ASAP- not before the clinically vulnerable or medical staff etc

I’m currently doing supply at my school today on my one day off as we have so many teachers out isolating. I’m about to teach year 11 physics... which I’ve not done since I was in year 11 myself, 20 years ago!!!!

If vulnerable people had been vaccinated , they perhaps wouldn't be telling people to isolate though so it wouldn't have any more of an impact on schools than flu does each year. i.e. people just be off sick for a week two if they had symptoms.

Yes true if there’s no need to isolate then there wouldn’t be an issue with schools closing because of teachers isolating. Once the vulnerable are vaccinated no need to isolate any more!

Everyone thinks they’re more worthy based on their personal circumstances. That’s not how it works. This is about what’s best on a population level. I say this as someone ECV and young enough that I’ll be waiting a while.

@Haenow

Everyone thinks they’re more worthy based on their personal circumstances. That’s not how it works. This is about what’s best on a population level. I say this as someone ECV and young enough that I’ll be waiting a while.

Everyone does do they? But of a sweeping statement there.

Quite a few - nay, more than quite a few - really do believe that vaccination is about who to save, rather than how to stop the spread and the overwhelming of the health service.

Personal circumstances or individual value are irrelevant. Older people, particularly those in care homes, are infected easily, become iller than the population in general and then occupy hospital beds for much longer than the population in general . So it makes sense to vaccinate them first - not because we want to save old people, but because we need a functioning health service for everyone with every health need.

I can understand why anyone who is ECV is confused though - given we are the ones told we were at such a risk that we couldn't even put the bins out before August, yet older ages were able to carry on in relative normality. When you have had nine months of being told that you will be on deaths door if you catch it, and the media/people suggesting that deaths from your group were on borrowed time anyway

To have a vaccine announcement with a projected timeline that contradicts that is a legitimate reason for someone to either feel we were lied to about risk then, or are being now.

I'm not angry, and I'm not fighting to get myself moved up the list - but I can understand the feelings behind those who are.

@Feministicon

I was being facetious! I realise not everyone thinks like that. Most humans are inherently selfish though, survival of the fittest and all that

So many people I know don’t want it 😂

@FrippEnos

Its amazing that after months of

Education is so important
Teachers must go back to the classroom
Pupils health and mental wellbeing
School is so important for getting people back to work

Now that we have a vaccine we are once again back to education is near the bottom of the pile.

exactly this

I don't think teachers are at the bottom of the pile, I think they are just looking at the evidence which suggests that they are at no greater risk than other key workers. Plus, prioritising them would not mean schools are necessarily kept open as if a child in the bubbles gets symptoms they would still all need to self isolate. So it doesn't make sense. However, I do think they should be mentioned in the list after the CEV and CV and before the general population.

I'm in Wales so can't comment on England.

But the latest advisory group report on schools says that "teachers are not at any additional risk of infection when compared to other working adults".

So there you have it.

They may not be additional risk, but if a teacher goes off it affects a lot more people, it can affect a lot of bubbles and other staff members.

So not so much a hospitalization issue more a coordination/disruption issue

@BluebellsGreenbells

They may not be additional risk, but if a teacher goes off it affects a lot more people, it can affect a lot of bubbles and other staff members.

So not so much a hospitalization issue more a coordination/disruption issue

That assumes that they would still be asked to self isolate if had been in contact with someone who had tested positive but that may not be the case once vulnerable people had been vaccinated.

Not all vulnerable people will be able to vaccinated. And for certain age groups it may be less effective anyway

@sherryperry

Not all vulnerable people will be able to vaccinated. And for certain age groups it may be less effective anyway

Well yes, just like the flu vaccine.... Which teachers are not on a priority list to receive.

@sherryperry

Not all vulnerable people will be able to vaccinated. And for certain age groups it may be less effective anyway

Which vulnerable people will not be able to be vaccinated? I haven't heard anything about that .They haven't found that it is ineffective in any age group.