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Trump thread #110 where the orange one is going away

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freddosfrogs · 06/11/2020 04:18

How long will this one take to fill ?

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womanaf · 06/11/2020 21:19

labybird
I agree completely.

I suspect the same also played into a lot of the brexit support.

HateIsNotGood · 06/11/2020 21:19

I've found The CBS Election Results Pages are great for real-time facts and figures updates.

www.cbsnews.com/election/2020/president/

ApolloandDaphne · 06/11/2020 21:20

They aren't going to call it tonight are they? I am so weary and think an early night would be in order.

Blueberries0112 · 06/11/2020 21:22

@Delphinium20

I'm not signed up on any Republican phone or mail lists but look at this crazy text I just got:
They are just trying to make money. All politicians do this
Fredelliottisayfredelliott · 06/11/2020 21:23

@ApolloandDaphne

They aren't going to call it tonight are they? I am so weary and think an early night would be in order.
Not looking like it
LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard · 06/11/2020 21:23

Started trying to watch The West Wing after recommendation on here. I clearly really don't get US politics because I've no idea what's going on!

Hoping I can stay awake until 1am and watch Biden.

SabrinaThwaite · 06/11/2020 21:23

Al Capone was finally nailed for tax fraud.

Not a bad precedent.

Roussette · 06/11/2020 21:23

i've popped a sleeping tablet (herbal, over the counter stuff) because this is the 4th night with little sleep, can't cope.

No doubt this will mean I miss something stupendous!

frumpety · 06/11/2020 21:27

@Boopear you legend , thank you Smile

nauticant · 06/11/2020 21:27

Donnie, Eric and Jared will also be up for all sorts of shit. Ivana will probably escape by virtue of being a mother and it being 'unseemly to pursue her for the sake of the kids'. Remember the US is socially conservative - it does serve the democrats politically to jail a mother of young kids.

I agree the authorities won't go after Trump himself but those around him should watch out. There's likely to be revenge but maybe in the form of surgical strikes. Right from Trump campaigning in 2016, I assumed the intelligence services would have been building a dossier on Trump and his associates based on all kinds of Internet and phone hacks. Perhaps there'll be some curious leaks of incriminating stuff over the next year or two.

CaveMum · 06/11/2020 21:28

@LethargicLumpOfLockdownLard

Started trying to watch The West Wing after recommendation on here. I clearly really don't get US politics because I've no idea what's going on!

Hoping I can stay awake until 1am and watch Biden.

Stick with it, it gets better and easier to follow! It’s kind of the point of the show that they just expect you to pick things up as they go along, there’s no dumbing down. Someone told me that the whole point of the character Donna was, at least to start with, act as the voice of the audience - she’s the one asking all the questions.
CaraDuneRedux · 06/11/2020 21:30

The US was founded on puritan ideals driven out of Europe which have endured through time and the 60s era of USSR rivalry and Mccarthism.

We must understand this. And learn what motivates rather than dismissing fears and differences of values as 'backward' or 'bigotted'. They are just 'different' more often than not and not out of outward malice nor desire to oppress. That does exist of course but it needs to be separated out.

That's a very shrewd observation, RTB. Visiting France and Germany as a teen/young woman, I was always struck by how fundamentally similar in a lot of respects (language aside) they were to Britain. The first time I went to the US I was similarly struck by how very, very different it was, despite the shared language.

The more I read about American history the more I'm struck by the deep roots of these differences. For instance, it's important to remember the genuine political and religious oppression the puritans faced in Britain (and not just puritans, a generation earlier, the first political liberals like John Locke, whose writings exerted an immense influence on the Founding Fathers, and who had to flee England for Holland for political reasons), and the huge role this played in shaping the American constitution.

The way this history plays into things that Europeans find so difficult to understand, such as the 2nd Ammendment. Is it the right to bear arms because they're all redneck cowboys who just like huntin' and shootin' (the European stereotype). Or (endless arguments over that comma) is it that ultimately the people have the right to bear arms in case the government gets too big for its boots - the ever-present fear of the founding fathers who'd escaped European tyranny and thrown off the yoke of colonial government?

And the immense and poisonous legacy of slavery. We were equally culpable, but because we were the merchants (for the main part) rather than the owners, the bulk of the poison has landed up on American shores, and we've got off pretty much Scot free (a phrase which itself has roots in the legacy of American slavery). The way that led to the civil war. The war by other name phony peace which followed culminating in the liberal north screwing over blacks in the south, and the Jim Crow laws.

The curious tension that the white Americans saw themselves as having thrown off the colonial yoke while simultaneously being the colonisers who'd done a massive land-grab from the Indigenous people.

And so on and so on - exceptionalism, reluctant engagement in world wars, the cold war (and terror of communism)...

It's massively shaped by a history which is very different from that of Europe - we split apart nearly 2 and a half centuries ago now, and I think (two nations divided by a common language) we often forget just how very, very culturally different the US is from pretty much any western European nation.

BruceAndNosh · 06/11/2020 21:30

Something to pass the time. Yes, it's Trump but not Trump...

TokyoSushi · 06/11/2020 21:30

Excellent posts @RedToothBrush - You keep doing those and I'll keep doing posts like 'I'm so tired, but I can't stop watching' and 'shall I deep clean the kitchen while I wait for Biden's speech?' Between us, that way, we'll provide balance, right?! Grin

CaveMum · 06/11/2020 21:32

From the BBC - White House staffers not turning up for work and possible second address from the President tonight.

Trump thread #110 where the orange one is going away
PerkingFaintly · 06/11/2020 21:32

I understand the arguments above about prosecutions.

At the same time, I would really like to see him brought to book one way or another on the emoluments clause, pour encourager les autres.

If he isn't, it throws the door wide open for others to behave the same. And this won't just be a minor side issue: personal enrichment while holding the office of president will motivate the Trumps of this world to seek the office; and then incentivise corruption, cronyism and bad international decisions while they're in the office.

As if those didn't happen enough already, without it being open season!

(And let's face it, if someone can't work out how to get rich after being POTUS and therefore needs to rake in the cash while actually in the office, then they're probably not bright enough to hold the office.)

Roussette · 06/11/2020 21:33

@CaraDuneRedux
That's a great post, thank you, just reading and taking it in

Zixxy · 06/11/2020 21:40

lyralalala

Thanks. We shall see I suppose!

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 21:41

[quote ladybird303]@RedToothBrush I agree.

The Democrats (and Labour over here) have become too 'woke' to be appealing to many people.

People are tired of being told they are too greedy / racist / sexist / not eco enough etc etc. So they turn to something more palatable that doesn't make them feel bad about themselves.

For what it is worth I want progress on all of the above but now see that people won't get on side if they feel criticised all the time.[/quote]
The dynamics of current british and American politics are remarkably similar. And its easy to see why many british politicians and parts of the public want to become closer. We have a shared history, cultural identity and language in so many ways. Europe is rather alien and more difficult to many because of the language barrier which makes it more inaccessible - the rise of social media i think had reinforced the idea of the 'anglosphere' because we can speak to others with that shared language and culture more.

But there are still huge differences. Its fascinating to see the clash of cultures between this 'global English speaking world' and this much more insular inward looking religious small town america when it occurs on social media. Equally the uk has far more in common with its european neighbours than it realises sometimes too - again shared history and values.

Thats the UK's current identity crisis being caught between these two worlds. It was our strength but its also our great weakness. Until we wake up to this we won't move forward either.

One of my British friends moved to saudi arabia for work many years ago. He then moved to California before marrying and eventually moving to Indiania for a 'better quality of family life' as he phrased it. (His wife was from there). He wanted to escape the relentless pace of work, long hours and costs of living in California. He said when he moved though it was as big a shock culturally as when he moved to Saudi. Just in terms of how people think and their priorities and what motivates them.

He loves it there but says it was really hard to get his head around at first.

I don't believe people are bad at heart. We need to do a hell of a lot more listening rather than judging and screaming at each other on social media or virtue signalling which clan we belong for our own self indulgent need to belong because that doesn't really achieve anything.

All this anger directed at punishing trump wont solve much. The best anyone can do is doom him to irrelevance and grey rock him. The more he screams the more you ignore and get on with actually addressing issues rather than tribal warfare.

History repeats over and over.

We need to recognise just how close to the brink both the democrats and republicans pushed this by playing only to their own crowds rather than talking to each other.

Roussette · 06/11/2020 21:42

THIRD federal court rejects Trump's census memo:

"Until July 2020, no branch of the federal govt ever had taken the position that non-citizen residents of the US could lawfully be excluded from apportionment.

The Presidential Memorandum before us upends that 230-year history."

nauticant · 06/11/2020 21:42

If he isn't, it throws the door wide open for others to behave the same.

That's why I think that for realpolitik you target those around Trump. You send the message that the main man/woman can have freedom to act (which is generally a good thing) but you also send the message to those around the main man/woman "be careful about enabling this shit".

You do this in the hope of creating a self-policing system.

Lweji · 06/11/2020 21:44

Instead of prosecutions, maybe they'll finally finish those tax audits and bankrupt him. Wink

Beetle76 · 06/11/2020 21:44

@scrappydappydoo I’m watching CNN in the US and here we have ads for the “Calm” app which sound just like the moments of calm you are seeing. No pandas though! Just rain storms and other white noise stuff...

Runningdownthathill · 06/11/2020 21:45

Can someone tell me why Georgia have been at 99 percent votes counted all day long and STILL no result? I am going slightly mad.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2020 21:45

@TokyoSushi

Excellent posts *@RedToothBrush* - You keep doing those and I'll keep doing posts like 'I'm so tired, but I can't stop watching' and 'shall I deep clean the kitchen while I wait for Biden's speech?' Between us, that way, we'll provide balance, right?! Grin
I like reality tv and mn shit posting. I'm partial to soaps. I was raised in the small town north. It helps to focus things in different ways i think sometimes. Sometimes its important not to be quite so ridiculously serious and pompous as i can be on here. I think we have rather more in common than you realise.
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