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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To feel sorry for Trump?

826 replies

tartanti · 04/11/2020 21:27

I’ve name changed for this as I know I will get completely flamed. But AIBU to secretly feel a little bit sorry for Trump? He campaigned so hard for this election compared to Biden and seemed to put his absolute all into it.

The amount of hate he gets on social media is astounding - I honestly don’t know how one person can handle all that and keep on going. I would have had a nervous breakdown or worse by now if I was on the receiving end of that.

His kids clearly love him and they seem alright - perhaps he’s not so bad behind the scenes? I think losing this election will destroy him as a person and whilst I don’t agree with his political viewpoint, I can’t help but feel slightly sorry for the guy.

AIBU?

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derxa · 05/11/2020 18:30

and all* should be well

Lozz22 · 05/11/2020 18:32

YABU he's a twunt spundle!!

WiddlinDiddlin · 05/11/2020 18:40

No I don't think he is adored by his kids.

I suspect they fear him, fear losing his approval, fear him thinking they are weak, and will do anything they need to do to maintain the status quo.

I also don't think he gives a single shit about his kids for their own sakes, only what they can do to his reputation. He will cover up any misdemeanours if he can, if he couldn't though I think he'd drop them like the hottest potato.

Trump cares about Trump and no one else and that is how he was raised by his own father.

user1493242132 · 05/11/2020 18:46

Hahahhahahahahhaha what a joke this thread is

tartanti · 05/11/2020 18:57

I also don't think he gives a single shit about his kids for their own sakes

I disagree - I’m sure he loves his kids.

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mbosnz · 05/11/2020 19:12

I think the only person that individual loves is himself. I think he's constitutionally incapable of caring for anybody else - let alone for the millions of Americans who have died unnecessarily on his watch.

StuartNorwich · 05/11/2020 19:28

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StuartNorwich · 05/11/2020 19:35

I would also say that the amount of abuse the OP has received for daring to express a view regardless of whether you concur or not is absolutely disgusting illustrating the fact the site is not moderated properly but this seems to be a common trend from people identifying as "liberal". When they encounter views they disagree with, it normally just results in obscenities and mental health breakdowns online and off it throwing their toys out of the pram

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 05/11/2020 19:39

@tartanti

I also don't think he gives a single shit about his kids for their own sakes

I disagree - I’m sure he loves his kids.

Not attacking you OP, but why are you sure of that? Not all parents love their kids, and Trump has shown no love, compassion or empathy for anyone, ever, to my knowledge.
tartanti · 05/11/2020 19:41

OP do you feel embarrassed by your ignorance?

@ZaraW I don’t believe that feeling compassion or pity for a fellow human being is ignorant, so no - I’m not embarrassed.

“May my enemies be well, happy, and peaceful. May no harm come to them. May no difficulties come to them. May no problems come to them. May they always meet with success. May they also have patience, courage, understanding, and determination to meet and overcome inevitable difficulties, problems, and failures in life.”

  • Bhante Henepola Gunaratana

Peace, my friend Smile

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mbosnz · 05/11/2020 19:46

Another way of looking at it is he is a nationalist putting Americans first instead of uncontrolled immigration leading to terrorism related deaths as we saw in Vienna/ paris only this last week and the millions of Americans who voted for him ( many of them women) know more than a collection of hysterical far left women that spend their days on mumsnet getting their facts from social media watching Judge rinder thinking they understand the law.

This ignores the facts that millions of Americans are not voting for him, is singularly misogynistic and ignorant in and of itself in its representation of those who oppose Trump both on and off this site, and ignores the numerous terrorist incidents caused by right wing white males in the US of A. As well as how many Americans have suffered as a result of the Trump administration in it's abysmal handling of Covid, as well as assaults on their rights (women's reproductive rights for example), and health care.

tenredthings · 05/11/2020 19:51

You know that empathy you are feeling OP, the ability to sympathise and imagine another's feelings ? Well Trump is a sociopath and he just doesn't EVER feel those emotions you are feeling.
He's incapable of empathy, putting someone else first, or imagining things from their perspective.
He laugh and call you a sucker if he knew you felt sorry for him. He'd see it as your weakness and then calculate how he could use that weakness to exploit, con and abuse you for his own advantage.

Defenbaker · 05/11/2020 19:55

I had a little bit of sympathy towards him, as I would have towards anyone who is just about to lose their job, but the way he's been behaving over the last day or so, has drained that small amount of sympathy away. The results are not in yet, but ever since he realised that Biden was in the lead he has taken a deluded, obstinate approach and has stirred up his supporters into a frenzy. He is so undignified and unreasonable - he should just sit back and wait for the final results to be declared, then decide what action (if any) to take. If the votes are very close in key states, it might be reasonable to ask for a recount, but he is just flailing around, making accusations which are unsubstantiated. The way he's carrying on he's going to need carrying off by men in white coats soon.

StuartNorwich · 05/11/2020 19:55

@mbosnz

Another way of looking at it is he is a nationalist putting Americans first instead of uncontrolled immigration leading to terrorism related deaths as we saw in Vienna/ paris only this last week and the millions of Americans who voted for him ( many of them women) know more than a collection of hysterical far left women that spend their days on mumsnet getting their facts from social media watching Judge rinder thinking they understand the law.

This ignores the facts that millions of Americans are not voting for him, is singularly misogynistic and ignorant in and of itself in its representation of those who oppose Trump both on and off this site, and ignores the numerous terrorist incidents caused by right wing white males in the US of A. As well as how many Americans have suffered as a result of the Trump administration in it's abysmal handling of Covid, as well as assaults on their rights (women's reproductive rights for example), and health care.

Plenty of countries are doing worse than covid deaths per capita so that's a cheap shot attacking him over a virus that has affected nearly every country worldwide.

Your comments about him being misogynist etc are simply not shared by millions of American women - you know the ones that actually are affected by his policies rather than mumsnet

" Millions aren't voting for him" so what? Do you understand in elections people will vote for different people or do you think that everyone votes for the same person lol. After 48 hours the election is still close even if he loses and bearing in mind very few governments would be voted in after covid is pretty good going and the views on here where 99% despise Trump don't reflect views in America

Tellmetruth4 · 05/11/2020 19:57

Stolen from The Guardian - Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

tartanti · 05/11/2020 19:58

Not attacking you OP, but why are you sure of that? Not all parents love their kids, and Trump has shown no love, compassion or empathy for anyone, ever, to my knowledge.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan I can’t be sure as I don’t know the Trumps personally, but from what I’ve read he’s apparently quite family orientated.

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tartanti · 05/11/2020 19:59

You know that empathy you are feeling OP, the ability to sympathise and imagine another's feelings ? Well Trump is a sociopath and he just doesn't EVER feel those emotions you are feeling. He's incapable of empathy, putting someone else first, or imagining things from their perspective. He laugh and call you a sucker if he knew you felt sorry for him. He'd see it as your weakness and then calculate how he could use that weakness to exploit, con and abuse you for his own advantage.

You’re probably right @tenredthings

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switswooo · 05/11/2020 20:02

The fact that you don’t feel sorry for Hitler but feel sorry for Trump is very telling IMO. Why don’t you value all life equally? Trump does not value Mexican, Black and Muslim lives, just as Hitler did not value Jewish lives.

tartanti · 05/11/2020 20:04

That’s a great piece of writing @Tellmetruth4, but I disagree with this bit:

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

Trump was absolutely the underdog in the 2016 election!

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StuartNorwich · 05/11/2020 20:06

@Tellmetruth4

Stolen from The Guardian - Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

  • Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
  • You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

Great post and insightful showing how superior the British voter is in rejecting Trump. The fact the Guardian and it's marxist reader clientele fails to mention Britain appointed the glorious Boris Johnson instead whilst demeaning the American voter is one the of funniest things I've ever read.

I'm assuming it was meant as an article of comedy surely as no one could post that with a straight face

tartanti · 05/11/2020 20:06

The fact that you don’t feel sorry for Hitler but feel sorry for Trump is very telling IMO

As I said earlier, Hitler’s actions resulted in 85 million deaths worldwide. I’m not the only poster on this thread who has pointed out that it’s not even comparable to Trump.

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ChaToilLeam · 05/11/2020 20:07

You are absolutely nuts. He has not a shred of empathy for others, don’t waste yours on him.

draughtycatflap · 05/11/2020 20:08

HAHA! Trollalolalolalala.

mbosnz · 05/11/2020 20:09

When you say he's family orientated, have you seen the book his niece wrote about him? And interestingly, he hasn't sued for defamation. . .

@StuartNorwich

Other countries doing poorly in their covid response does not mitigate the appalling response that has meant needless deaths, as a result of Trump's hubris, and his inability to accept expert opinion that does not correspond to his personal opinion. Dr Fauci, for example.

I know more American women that consider him a misogynist than do not, but I accept that may not be representative, because of my personal echo chamber of friends and acquaintances. I do know some people who do not, although the only ones I do know myself are middle class white males.

I pointed out that millions aren't voting for him, to balance your point that millions are. Yes, I understand how democracy works. I come from a genuinely democratic country, rather than from one that merely postures as one. . . whose democracy appears to be balanced on a knife-edge.

StuartNorwich · 05/11/2020 20:10

@switswooo

The fact that you don’t feel sorry for Hitler but feel sorry for Trump is very telling IMO. Why don’t you value all life equally? Trump does not value Mexican, Black and Muslim lives, just as Hitler did not value Jewish lives.
Trump doesnt value Mexican/ black lives? Why is that?.. because he wants to control immigration as any sane nation would not overstretching resources leading to poverty for it's indigenous population as we now see in the Uk with resources /housing/healthcare unable to cope with the highest population density in Europe bar Malta. Your post doesn't make any sense- if you are advocating Trump should open the door for any foreign national to arrive you would have a country fit to burst unable to feed or care for it's own native population
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