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To ask if Biden has definitely won?

682 replies

bluewanda · 04/11/2020 19:20

He has, right? Joe Biden is the new POTUS!

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Janegrey333 · 06/11/2020 14:16

Biden is go. Hurrah.

CounsellorTroi · 06/11/2020 14:17

Biden now ahead in Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania!

WitchesSpelleas · 06/11/2020 14:18

though will likely not concede in public, rather say they are taking a stand and not participating in a ‘corrupt’ system.

Why can't he go with a modicum of grace and dignity? He's been POTUS - what more could anyone want as a measure of success?

FinallyHere · 06/11/2020 14:18

One voice of sanity making the chaotic less in comprehensive is Heather Cox Richardson's daily letter

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/archive

mikeandike · 06/11/2020 14:19

Well... twitter.com/decisiondeskhq/status/1324710866516905984?s=21 Grin

peboh · 06/11/2020 14:26
That hadn't been confirmed hey. Not a trustful source.
WitchesSpelleas · 06/11/2020 14:27

I haven't felt this pleased about the way an election is going since 1997.

Thiiiiings ... can only get better ...

Tfoot75 · 06/11/2020 14:33

CNN has called the race now, other outlets waiting for next result from PA. I feel quite emotional! I'm not even American Grin

mikeandike · 06/11/2020 14:34

@peboh It’s a verified source and it’s an official projection not an official result. Nevertheless Grin Grin Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/11/2020 14:38

Thiiiiings ... can only get better ...

How did it get better with all those illegal deaths?

ListeningQuietly · 06/11/2020 14:42

Fizzy wine is in the fridge
Just waiting for the call - which I suspect will be after lunch EST

user1471565182 · 06/11/2020 14:46

1997 labour made this country a significantly better place to live. It was extremely stable compared to now with a great economy.

user1471565182 · 06/11/2020 14:50

Yeah I find it interesting in FWR how they're willing to ignore the fact Trumps regime has forced hysterectomies on immigrants and is doing all it can to illegalise abortion. But he hates trans people along with any other minority so they love all that.

sergeilavrov · 06/11/2020 15:09

Rumour here (DC) is that Ivanka and Jared have now been approached to be the ones to bring the news to Trump, and encourage him to concede with the distraction of preserving his businesses. Issue is, his businesses are in major trouble, and Ivanka has declined - her response was apparently in the vein of better to wait until January, let him take this to court, and then distract him with the opportunities of post presidential life. His Chief of Staff has also declined to try. They have limited access to the Oval and Residence as his mood has soured.

crackofdoom · 06/11/2020 15:09

Wow, it's pretty freaky that FWR has gone that way. If I was allowed to, I would ascribe that to an influx of hairy-handed bridge dwellers, but I'm not, so I won't Hmm.

user1471565182 · 06/11/2020 15:13

Rumours are that both Putin and Boris are fucking off in January now for those who want a bit of positivity.

sergeilavrov · 06/11/2020 15:21

@user1471565182 I’m sitting watching election results with our department’s most loved Russia expert - and he is suspicious this is what he is terming the return of the Medvedev Interregnum (the tandemocracy). My colleague is currently furiously tweeting in Russian about disinformation. I love election season...

Desnol · 06/11/2020 15:26

I don't have a horse in this race (UK Londoner), but there seems to be an awful lot of misreporting about what legal cases are being brought forward by Trump. I've been following it in detail, watched the TV, heard the speeches, etc - there's nothing better to do in lockdown than waste my time on this!

Here's my understanding on what Trump is complaining about, but I'm not sure which state is which - they all seem to have different cases:

Trump doesn't want to stop the counting of votes, he wants to stop votes cast after the election is closed, or postal votes which arrive beyond the end of the voting close.
In one state, Trump is asking the US Supreme Court to make a decision between the State's own Supreme Court and the constitution, which are in conflict. Normally, the close of the polling stations is the trigger to start counting whatever has arrived within that deadline, including postal ballots. However, the local Supreme Court (not sure which state), then decided to allow extra time for the arrival of postal votes timestamped on or before the election day - something which is not allowed in most countries, nor in US, but an exception was made because of Coronavirus. Trump is asking a valid question here - there is a huge opportunity for electoral fraud here. For example, if they allowed extended voting for postal votes, why did they not allow the same extra period for voting in person - also because of corona virus. This will be a tough one for the US Supreme court, because it is unconstitutional, but at the same time, coronavirus is also a problem.
A seond legal issue being raised is that in some states, a lot of postal ballots were delivered to households in their millions - unsolicited. The normal procedure is that the person who wants a postal vote asks for it. It seems that these millions of Postal Votes forms were delivered unsolicited in a very selective way, i.e. to voters more likely to vote for one party than another. That also needs to be looked by the courts, because all voters must have an equal opportunity to vote, and it isn't at all clear what the courts will decide.
Additionally, another court case hinges on that the Repulblican Party representatives were not given access to the vote counting process in some districts - and they should have been. This could result in recounts in those districts.
Finally, in some cases, the case is about specific instances of electoral fraud - these need to be examined case by case.

At the same time, where the results are very close, the Republicans are asking for recounts, and probably the Democrats will do the same if the result goes the either way.

I don't understand why the media are not explaining this clearly, the reporting mostly confuses matters. I guess that most of the media are supporting one side or another, so they are not neutral observers, but rooting for a particular side.

In the meantime, I'm watching this with interest and incredulity!!! This could last for a long time.

Good luck to everyone in US.

Janus · 06/11/2020 15:32

Why does the bbc still say 253 and other sources such as the guardian say 264??

ilovemydogandMrObama · 06/11/2020 15:39

Having organised Trump protests in 2016 (American in the UK) feel that this election is different in that the American people know his character whereas in 2016, think that the general feeling was the need for a change.

Am trying not to get too excited before it actually is announced, but will be lovely to have a President who is not an embarrassment.

ineedaholidaynow · 06/11/2020 15:40

@Desnol is Trump questioning any vote counting in the areas where he has won?

user1471565182 · 06/11/2020 15:43

Sergeil I would be interested who will replace him. Cant see it being Medvedev again, he had that big corruption kerfuffle. Mishustin is I suppose the favourite. What does your friend think?

user1471565182 · 06/11/2020 15:52

BBC waits for full confirmations whilst the guardian goes on mathematical wins and near certainties, Janus.

Tfoot75 · 06/11/2020 15:56

@Janus

Why does the bbc still say 253 and other sources such as the guardian say 264??
Because Associated Press and Fox News (maybe more) agencies made an early call for Biden in Arizona - but there is still possibility in the number of votes not counted that Trump could take it. Not many states have actually counted 100% but press agencies 'call' when it looks likely or is mathematically impossible to change based on majority.
Janus · 06/11/2020 15:59

Thank you Tfoot and User. I have just bought a bottle of fizz and hope to open it tonight, is there any chance it will be called today? We have to have something good happen this year surely. I know he will contest it but he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.