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To ask if Biden has definitely won?

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bluewanda · 04/11/2020 19:20

He has, right? Joe Biden is the new POTUS!

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MadameMinimes · 04/11/2020 19:48

Votes are still being counted in several states. The most likely outcome is a Biden win but a Trump win is not yet mathematically impossible. It’s important that no one claims victory until the votes have actually been tallied. If the news outlets that have called Arizona turn out to be wrong then that makes a big difference. Pennsylvania and Nevada are not set in stone yet either.

I’m hoping for a Biden win and think he will win (most likely 290 in the EC) but it’s not over until it’s over. Calling victory before the votes are in is wrong regardless of which side is doing it.

CherryPieface · 04/11/2020 19:48

Trump seems a lone voice in his complaints and I hope that means something. Haven’t heard any republicans back up his claims of voting fraud, other than Giuliani. Fingers crossed everyone!

Kljnmw3459 · 04/11/2020 19:48

Nobody's won yet. And in a fatalistic view there are no winners......... but in reality most of the remaining states are way too close to call either way. Where are you people getting your news from? I don't see this going any other way than 4 extra trump years.

MagicSummer · 04/11/2020 19:48

Why do you all want Biden? He is a terminal duffer. Mark my words, if he wins, you will wish Trump was back in 3 months.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 04/11/2020 19:49

Well Trump declared victory hours ago... because he is insane.

We're suggesting that it looks as though Biden should win it, but we're cautious. Biden isnt here saying it so he hasnt done anything wrong!

LongPauseNoAnswer · 04/11/2020 19:49

@MagicSummer

Why do you all want Biden? He is a terminal duffer. Mark my words, if he wins, you will wish Trump was back in 3 months.
Don’t bet on it.
sergeilavrov · 04/11/2020 19:50

We'll only know on Friday morning US Eastern time. The path to victory for Biden is Nevada, Michigan and Nebraska's congressional districting. This gives him 270 electoral votes, pending a Wisconsin and Arizona recount (which the Trump campaign must pay for, and can only register their request in about two weeks time, so we'll see how that plays out). Trump is going to win Alaska, and most likely Pennsylvania/North Carolina. Georgia is awaiting ballots being counted from Atlanta, so a lot of this comes down to how much Democratic attempts at turning out the vote were. Remember, they started late having written it off, but they do seem to have done better with Black voters compared to their losses across an increasingly diverse Latinx population.

In terms of contestation, the recounts won't change results with any significance. The recount reasoning in Arizona (Sharpiegate) is nonsense, those votes have been counted. Recounts in Wisconsin and the MW will just capture margin of error (200, 300 votes maybe for either candidate, not enough to change results). SCOTUS is probably the game changer, now the court swings the other way, and Kavanaugh et al., have been posturing their changed positions since 2000 on excluding votes. We'll see how that unfolds, but justices will have to decide between institutional integrity and protecting the appointing executive. It's going to be an interesting, and frustrating fight, in which Democrats should prepare to fight to the finish.

Your call is too soon at this point, as tempting as it is to state results. The results so far tell us that moderation is the game, they couldn't separate themselves sufficiently from critiques about being socialist/communist in key swing states, maybe because of the broad internet presence of Bernie Bros/progressives being more salient during a time people spent more time online than canvassing in person.

heyfrog · 04/11/2020 19:50

Rather a "terminal duffer" than a misogynistic racist.

MadameMinimes · 04/11/2020 19:51

I actually think Biden is less likely to win Nevada, where he’s narrowly in the lead, than Pennsylvania, where he’s well behind right now. He doesn’t actually need it if he wins Michigan and Pennsylvania providing the people who have called Arizona turn out to be right.

WitchesSpelleas · 04/11/2020 19:51

Why do you all want Biden?

It's not so much wanting Biden as not wanting Trump. Better a duffer than a deranged narcissist. (strange sense of deja vu when I wrote that!)

Quaagars · 04/11/2020 19:52

Just seen the news says Trump is demanding a recount.
I'm a bit clueless as to how it all works but how can he demand that?!
Surely he can be told to suck it up and stop being such a whiny sore loser?!

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 04/11/2020 19:52

@Kljnmw3459

Why? Where have you got the figures from to say you're certain Trump will win?

Biden needs Nevada and Michigan other state. It's the postal votes which remain to counted. He is leading in Nevada and Michigan. The postal votes will favour Biden, when you add those then his lead will increase and he should win those states.

Souldyurr · 04/11/2020 19:52

Is the BBC tracker just really, really, really behind? It's very much possible for either Trump or Biden to win based on the information the BBC has published so far - where else are people following? PP said Biden has confirmed WI ages ago but the BBC haven't got that?

Stripesnomore · 04/11/2020 19:53

Whoever wins there will probably be further civil unrest and rioting.

It’s sad what has happened to the US.

manicinsomniac · 04/11/2020 19:53

Is the BBC massively behind? He doesn't have Wisconsin or Michigan yet according to them and is still only on 227 to Trump's 214. Doesn't look safe yet?

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 04/11/2020 19:53

@Quaagars
Requesting a recount isnt unusual, they're all allowed to do it. It usually doesn't sway anything but it gives them a more accurate idea of how correct the margin is.

WitchesSpelleas · 04/11/2020 19:54

I think the BBC tracker is going strictly by the book.

But the 'live coverage' has been atrocious. I've been following the PA.

pigsDOfly · 04/11/2020 19:54

Trump has already claimed that he has 'won the election', but at the same time claims Biden has stolen the election.

Really feels like he know he's on his way out.

God, I hope so.

MadameMinimes · 04/11/2020 19:54

WI and Michigan results are technically still provisional.

iftherewereahorseyinthehouse · 04/11/2020 19:55

Trump has to win Pennsylvania and three other states I think. He has a fair lead but the democratic vote is pulling them back as they count the postal votes. I am 90% sure Biden is going to win but it's all going to be legislated.

underneaththeash · 04/11/2020 19:55

@MagicSummer but surely ANYONE is better than Trump?
The leader of the US doesn't care about breaking his own laws, he's a racist, a misogynist, a liar and a hypocrite. He holds conferences expecting other national leaders to adhere to basic human rights that he won't adhere to himself.

Even a terminal duffer has a senate behind him who are competent and can pass laws.

Marshmallow91 · 04/11/2020 19:55

Trump will only leave the Whitehouse by sniper while on the roof, clutching a post-divorce melania in his paws.

He's not going quietly. He's one of the few people on earth who's genuinely out of his fucking mind AND a moron, that has enough power to wriggle out of legalities.

I hate very few people on this earth, but he is most certainly one of them.

I'm hoping Biden will win, but at this stage they could be giving it to kermit the fucking frog and I'd still be elated.

CoRhona · 04/11/2020 19:55

This morning I felt really dejected and that there was no way he could do it.

Now, however, there is hope...

sergeilavrov · 04/11/2020 19:56

@manicinsomniac BBC isn't declaring Wisconsin because of the small margin by which Biden has one. They should, really, switch to declaring an apparent winner. Most of these polls won't call any election with a margin of 1% or less. Instead, they will wait until a winner is called formally after every vote is counted.

Livelovebehappy · 04/11/2020 19:56

Are magicsummer it’s a case of be careful what you wish for. People think the grass is greener with Biden, and he will deliver some sort of utopian society. There are shadows lurking in the wings - once Biden gets in, he isn’t the one who will be making the decisions.