to tell people that you can go for walks in the countryside which is lovely

[chomalungma]

But the pubs will be shut so you can't get a lovely lunch whilst out

So it's going to be pack lunches again.

At least this time there won't be people complaining about people exercising in the Peak District like last time!

The new regs are out, and say nothing about being limited in how far you can travel for exercise. The law trumps guidance, ministerial opinion and any nonsense that anyone wishes to claim is the spirit of the law. Aside from a few get orf moi land even though it isn't actually mine types, who I suspect will always be with us, that should conclude the matter.

Orcus can you put a link to the regulations please?

Actually, regulations don’t ‘trump’ guidance. It’s not how U.K. law works.
The Act is the primary legislation. Regulations interpret the Act into practice and the regulations are underpinned by the guidance.
Very few pieces of legislation can be enforced without due consideration of the guidance in place at the time of any breach.

The guidance still says travel short distances for exercise, I believe. There is, as yet, no precedent for what a short distance means but it’s certainly not ‘ go wherever you like’.

Here you are.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf

And yes they do. I'm a solicitor fwiw. If guidance that isn't legally binding says you shouldn't do something but the legislation permits it, the legislation takes precedence.

As there is no legal basis for fining a person for travelling more than a short distance, it's not immediately obvious how a precedent would be set with the law as it is. If anyone is fined for travelling more than a short distance and they challenge that decision, they'd be doing so on the basis that there is no legal requirement to limit yourself to a short distance. Assuming they had a decent legal rep, of course.

As an aside - drafting such leglisation must be a challenge. There are lots of paragraphs, clauses etc.

As an aside - drafting such leglisation must be a challenge. There are lots of paragraphs, clauses etc.

I see they got Remembrance Day in there.

I bet people will complain though.

I see they got Remembrance Day in there.

I bet people will complain though.

OK you’re right Orcus, there is no limitation on distance that is enforceable. Rubbish piece of legislation.

You don't run a democracy by hiding the laws and allowing the loudest know-it-all to rule.

Yes @Ecosse always best to keep the law secret from the lieges

I’d just implore all those driving to lively rural areas to behave responsibly and respectfully. If it’s busy, go somewhere else. Don’t park just anywhere and abandon your car, causing obstructions and problems for local people. Be careful where you go, try to keep to paths/rights of ways where you can/it’s appropriate. Don’t touch what’s not yours, don’t bother livestock or feed other people’s animals. And bloody well take the rubbish generated by your packed lunches and snacks with you!!!

Far, far too many people enjoying “lovely country walks” behaved appallingly during last lockdown. Bloody nightmare, even worse than the idiocy that we get every year.

I, on the other hand, hope to see as many MNers as possible referring to them whenever anyone invents a rule about the duration or permitted travel distance for exercise in England.

Yes @Ecosse always best to keep the law secret from the lieges

I, on the other hand, hope to see as many MNers as possible referring to them whenever anyone through either ignorance or malice invents a rule about the duration or permitted travel distance for exercise in England.

We should all be encouraging family, friends and neighbours to stay at home as much as possible, and holding them accountable when they overstep the spirit of the rules

Like the Daily Mail and the police did - by showing pictures of people on their social media sites and shaming them.

Yet people were doing perfectly legal activities.

The first lockdown was much smaller leglisation - but some of the police hadn't read it in detail.

No mention in March of 1 hour per day exercise in the leglisation.

You don't run a democracy by hiding the laws and allowing the loudest know-it-all to rule.

You don't run a democracy by hiding the laws and allowing the loudest know-it-all to rule.

@FourTeaFallOut

You don't run a democracy by hiding the laws and allowing the loudest know-it-all to rule.

That’s mostly the Covid threads on here 🤷🏻‍♀️

unless they are a key worker, cannot get a food delivery slot or cannot exercise at home

Or work in manufacturing, or construction, or another role where you are unable to work from home, or have to take children to school, or are at college/university/in further education.

unless they are a key worker, cannot get a food delivery slot or cannot exercise at home

Or work in manufacturing, or construction, or another role where you are unable to work from home, or have to take children to school, or are at college/university/in further education.

@MNHQ really need to consider banning the term 'the spirit of the rules'. It's largely used on here by people who are without legal training, either haven't read, don't understand or are sulking about the legislation and who think whatever nonsense they've pulled out of their arses qualifies as incisive legal analysis. If everyone laughed at you all as much as I do there'd be no problem, but there are people actually vulnerable enough to pay attention.

unless they are a key worker, cannot get a food delivery slot or cannot exercise at home

Or work in manufacturing, or construction, or another role where you are unable to work from home, or have to take children to school, or are at college/university/in further education.

We should all be encouraging family, friends and neighbours to stay at home as much as possible, and holding them accountable when they overstep the spirit of the rules

Like the Daily Mail and the police did - by showing pictures of people on their social media sites and shaming them.

Yet people were doing perfectly legal activities.

The first lockdown was much smaller leglisation - but some of the police hadn't read it in detail.

No mention in March of 1 hour per day exercise in the leglisation.

I, on the other hand, hope to see as many MNers as possible referring to them whenever anyone invents a rule about the duration or permitted travel distance for exercise in England.