Do you want another lockdown?

[RosieCrumpet]

YABU - I want a lockdown just like before
YANBU - I don't want to lockdown.
Comment - Any variation on the above.
I'm genuinely curious to see where the majority lie on this - some people will be terrified of losing their jobs and homeschooling again whereas others would love a few more months of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.

how many people actually died from vCJD?

Yes, was a big part of the world locked down because of vCJD?

What will another lockdown do?

It won’t stop people being infected. If it did we would have had 0 infections after 4 months of lockdown.

Make mask wearing compulsory when you are outside the home, no exceptions and carry on as we are.

Personally I don’t think we can manage another lock down.

All those wanting a lockdown, would you be so keen if you had all your savings wiped out and your joint family income reduced to £550 per month

It won’t stop people being infected. If it did we would have had 0 infections after 4 months of lockdown

But the borders were still open.

No masks
No sanitizer

Care homes and hospitals over run, staff spreading the disease.

It’s interesting that people only trust ‘the science’ when it’s those advocating lock down
Why not trust them science’ from other leading scientists that say they don’t work ? Why trust imperial college data ( which has always historically been incorrect) yet not trust data from kings college or others?

There is no ‘the science’ There are multiple scientific theories and thinking so why only look at one ??

Given Sweden’s figures are falling and Spain and Italy’s figures are rising doesn't that prove lockdowns don’t work

PhilCornwall1

No idea, I would. If it means a quiet Christmas so be it. They have basically cancelled other religious celebrations this year. I don't see why Christmas should have any special treatment.

Just to be clear, I don't want another lockdown and think it would be pointless but I would still stick to the rules and can see them upping the anti quite a bit over the following months

Year 11 children need to be in school. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind about this.
They are the school year that will be affected most by this imo

They should have locked down much sooner

It’s interesting that people only trust ‘the science’ when it’s those advocating lock down

Indeed, particularly as there is no science because lockdowns have never been used in this way before. So no studies are available, ‘peer reviewed’ or not.

PM press conference today at 4 been brought forward due to the leak

We need a lockdown. But schools need to close too. It’s insane to keep them open if you actually want to reduce infection rates. Outside tables in pubs are far less dangerous than children in groups of hundreds in school.

So while I want a lockdown, to save lives and to keep the economy going in the long term, we need some sensible measures-

-reduce schools to vulnerable and key workers’ children to keep the lockdown shorter
-provide universal financial help to everyone. Not random amounts and missing out 3 million, but a standard universal income to see everyone through this. That’s government’s job, to stop suffering by organising support on our behalf. A large percentage of people can work from home, and those who can should.
-during that time, make schools safer. Reinstate budgets for laptops and wifi too.
-during that time, properly sort out test and trace. Put healthcare experts in charge, not your mates.
-give us all a proper timeline of what to expect. Eg. We will lock down for as long as necessary until there are (insert number here) cases per day.
-give money to established mental health charities who can up their help to vulnerable people.

In the short term this will cost money, but it is going to be far quicker for the economy to recover than carrying on with tens of thousands of cases a day, deaths, overflowing hospitals, randomly closed schools, and all the grieving and ill in the population.

@duffeldaisy then when we open up again the virus comes back. It is baffling me how people can’t understand that. Education is important, a study that I read yesterday was saying the Y7’s writing is waaay behind what would usually be expected. You are suggesting chucking my kids under a bus, no.

To those saying lockdowns don’t work - the first one did hugely reduce infection.

Lockdowns have to be well-run, and with as few people moving about as possible, so they need proper funding.
It’s like the government offering seatbelts in a car that are made of tissue paper, and then people complaining that seatbelts don’t work, even when in countries on every continent there are examples of proper seatbelts/lockdowns being very successful.

And in terms Olof test and trace it hasn’t worked in Germany, their cases have rocketed too - why will it work here?

@duffeldaisy yeah like the ones elsewhere in Europe. Ah hang on a minute

Press conference at 4PM today, so at least we might know where we're at

But the borders were still open

No masks
No sanitizer

Care homes and hospitals over run, staff spreading the disease

We did have masks and sanitisers.

Were hospitals over run? I don’t believe they were over run. If they were why weren’t they referring cases to the Nightingale hospitals that sat virtually empty throughout (know someone who worked there)

As for the borders. We are a dinghy ride from Calais. Think I read that 6000 people came across just on small boats landing on the beach,
We are never going to be able to close the borders unless we station a soldier with a gun every 6 ft around our seafront with orders to shoot anyone trying to gain entry to the U.K. in a dinghy.

Are you suggesting no one can enter or leave a care home to save the residents from Covid.
Dmil had Covid. 1 death in her care home and a lot of the residents (including dmil 95.) wishing they were dead because the life they have left just looks so bleak and lonely.

Lockdowns don’t work. If they did places that had really long and hard lockdowns wouldn’t be seeing their figures rising and places that didn’t lock down wouldn’t be seeing their figures falling

To those saying lockdowns don’t work - the first one did hugely reduce infection

But at what cost? And if it did work we wouldn’t be facing rising numbers and another lockdown

@Teateaandmoretea of course I realise it’ll start to spread again when lockdown is lifted. But if we don’t lockdown we’ll have 50k infections a day and rising within a short time. Hospitals won’t cope and standard procedures and operations will be affected, thousands will die.

If we do lockdown then for those few weeks, hospitals get to deal with people currently ill who get worse, but they won’t have ever increasing wave upon wave of new infections on top of that.
A few weeks later, and we’re back down to a couple of hundred infections a day, and the service has a chance to catch up, as the rise is slower over the winter months.

@Whitney168

Press conference at 4PM today, so at least we might know where we're at

And allegedly in a cabinet meeting at 1:30pm

A few weeks later, and we’re back down to a couple of hundred infections a day, and the service has a chance to catch up, as the rise is slower over the winter months.

There is no way we’d get down to that till after the winter months. Seriously your ideas are fantasy.

No, no and thrice no. Yeah, there's Covid, which some people think is the only thing capable of causing death.

But there's also the likelihood of millions unemployed, mass suicides, people dying of other things, businesses collapsing, people being unable to pay their mortgages, losing their homes, the adults of the future being SERIOUSLY behind with their education, people being trapped in a house of domestic violence: these will ALL BE EXACERBATED by lockdown.

And to those who say "it would just for a month"; remember "just for three weeks"; "just for twelve weeks"; "normalish by Christmas"? Saint Boris is a mighty paragon of truth, and a tower of strength.

I dont want one but I think we need one. Seeing so many comments from people not caring about their local rules and openly breaking them, then blaming the government! On the news last night one chap from tier 3 openly admitting he goes over the border into a lower tier to gamble and visit the pub! Saying rules are there to be broken! Fabulous, thanks for that mate! Whereas the rest of us are being obedient to the rules. We need a blanket lockdown like in the beginning to keep these idiots at home. Its not easy whatever is decided but something needs doing and fast!

@Teateaandmoretea

A properly managed, full lockdown would reduce cases that much because there would be far fewer opportunities for the virus to jump to another person.
If someone ill sees 100 people while asymptomatic, they might infect several, who go on to infect several, whereas if they’re isolating, that no longer happens.

The alternative of locking down is unthinkable. We’re already going to lose thousands of people who already have it. We shouldn’t have to lose thousands and thousands more.

We both want the same thing - return to a working society again. Without intervention, that will take far, far longer and vastly more people will die and have long term complications.

i dont want total lockdown because both of my jobs if they shutdown would go and i would be totally unemployed,
64 years old so no chance of getting another job and because the government decided i should work till im 66 no pension either,

so for two years i wouldnt get a single penny , and that would be my contributions towards my private pension gone so lowering what i would get from that

MY OH is retired and we are mortgage free but his private pension isnt that much more than state pension and he wont get state till next year,
so no we wouldnt be homeless but would be living on universal credit type income , so i would rather keep the two jobs that i have at least for the next two years