to think Jeremy Corbyn should be expelled from the Labour Party?

[FractionalGains]

The EHRC has found that the Labour Party was did not do enough to address anti-semitism to the extent that it breached the equality act, and could even be said to have accepted it. The leadership office is implicated in 23 occasions.

AIBU to think this is unacceptable and his place in the Labour Party is no longer tenable?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

I liked much of what Corbyn is about but I agree with you OP. He was leading thr party, is at the centre of all this and if Labour are to stand any chance in the next election he needs to go

But Lenin McClusky and momentum won’t like that. Labour is hostage to both.

I think maybe we should be discussing a current PM who was personally racist (Watermelon smiles/letterbox etc etc)instead of backbench politician from the opposition party

3rd post whataboutery must be a record ,well done.

Yes very predictable whataboutery - I could suggest this entire Original Post is whataboutery 🤣

Yes

@adawong

3rd post whataboutery must be a record ,well done.

It is absolutel whataboutery but pp has a point. Maybe Corbyn should be expelled but its funny how the whistle blowing and the deep root of antisematism came about after the most socialist leader was elected. It must have been there before.

Islamophobia should now be addressed in the tory party but they prefer the wage master. Where is their headlines and where is their investigation? No?

It highlights the need to stop it in both.

@TheFuckingDogs yes we should. This thread is about Corbyn, you can start your own thread about the current PM.

Yes, there were failing.

But I’m more concerned about the gross racism that currently exists within the Conservative party to be honest. The fact that the ride islamaphobia is conveniently being overlooked and swept under the rug.

@Tunnocks34

Yes, there were failing.

But I’m more concerned about the gross racism that currently exists within the Conservative party to be honest. The fact that the ride islamaphobia is conveniently being overlooked and swept under the rug.

Absolutely!

I was genuinely shocked at how little a shit Corbyn gave about the hounding out of Luciana Berger, one of his own MPs, while she was heavily pregnant.

Didn't even speak to her about it.

It really showed another side to him, IMO, a deeply unpleasant one.

That seems a bit precipitous to me. I'm not sure any leader could really just decide to change a whole culture of a party that way and do it effectively.

The political discussion around anti-semitism on the left is often a little superficial IMO anyway. Partly because the definition of it is often broad enough that it would encompass people who would be wary of any political state being ethnically or religiously defined, and that's not an uncommon viewpoint on the left.

Which isn't to say they shouldn't do a review if they think it's justified, but there needs to be a little deeper soul searching if they want it to be more than a sideshow.

RigaBalsam

Well yes but surely the point is that everyone knows the Tory senior leadership is at best blase about anti-racism. No-one who is deeply preoccupied about advancing the cause of black and minority ethnic people in our society votes Tory.

However Corbyn has literally carved out an entire career on being an anti-racist and he was warned again and again that the Jewish community felt let down by his lack of engagement with antisemitism within the party.

Whenever anyone raised this he just batted it back with the usual accusations of "brainwashing by the right wing media". Corbyn's Labour was infiltrated by people who at best turned a blind eye to antisemitism and in some notable cases actually promoted it. And again and again they brushed it under the carpet.

I think he should be removed from the Labour party. I think he was a politial disaster and he failed to uphold one of his most basic policy objectives and allowed antisemitism to thrive.

I think he's an absolute fucking disgrace. And I speak as someone who voted for him.

I agree with you, OP. But it’s totally predictable that some posters change the subject to make comparisons with Islamophobia in the Tory Party. I’m definitely not saying that it isn’t true, but this thread isn’t about that.

The hurt that has been caused to Jewish party members is a disgrace and needs to be taken seriously without making comparisons with the Tory Party.

Fuck the conservatives. We know they're a shower of shite.

But they'll be going no where until we have a viable opposition.

''if Labour are to stand any chance in the next election he needs to go''

this.

Starmer has said

"And if, after all the pain, all the grief, and all the evidence in this report, there are still those who think there's no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour party, that it’s all exaggerated, or a factional attack, then frankly you are part of the problem too and you should be nowhere near the Labour party either"

Corbyn has released a statement saying the scale of the problem was dramatically overstated for political reasons.

So Starmer is now in the situation of having to stand by his statement and kick out Corbyn, or try to fudge an excuse for not doing so.

I don’t mean to minimise racism in the Tory Party. But that’s a separate thread.

Labour has always taken pride in being anti-racist, so they should be at pains to be beyond approach with regard to any form of racism.

Possibly we do need another thread about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. Or indeed another thread corruption in the Conservative party (might need a few threads for that) but I doubt you'd get to the end of the first page before someone piped up "At least we don't have Corbyn."

@noblegiraffe

Starmer has said

"And if, after all the pain, all the grief, and all the evidence in this report, there are still those who think there's no problem with anti-semitism in the Labour party, that it’s all exaggerated, or a factional attack, then frankly you are part of the problem too and you should be nowhere near the Labour party either"

Corbyn has released a statement saying the scale of the problem was dramatically overstated for political reasons.

So Starmer is now in the situation of having to stand by his statement and kick out Corbyn, or try to fudge an excuse for not doing so.

His excuse will probably be there were no individuals named in the report. He said it a few times just then.

@ANoTail

Possibly we do need another thread about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. Or indeed another thread corruption in the Conservative party (might need a few threads for that) but I doubt you'd get to the end of the first page before someone piped up "At least we don't have Corbyn."

Yes I agree with this.

You're not being unreasonable at all!

Possibly we do need another thread about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. Or indeed another thread corruption in the Conservative party (might need a few threads for that) but I doubt you'd get to the end of the first page before someone piped up "At least we don't have Corbyn."

I get this, I really do. But the fact that the Tories are worse shouldn't be used to silence those Jewish Labour members who have experienced anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

Also, if Keir Starmar can show that he's dealt with this, then his party will be in a stronger position to attack Boris Johnson for his Islamophobia.

There seems to be the implication that people who are concerned about antisemitism in the Labour party are Tories who don't give a shit about Islamophobia in the Conservative party.

That seems to be Corbyn's line about over-exaggerating problems for political reasons.

Starmer is quite right to pull people up on that.