to think Jeremy Corbyn should be expelled from the Labour Party?

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The EHRC has found that the Labour Party was did not do enough to address anti-semitism to the extent that it breached the equality act, and could even be said to have accepted it. The leadership office is implicated in 23 occasions.

AIBU to think this is unacceptable and his place in the Labour Party is no longer tenable?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

There’s a deep seam of antisemitism in the far left. It’s tolerated, even if it’s not shared, by many on the left in a way that it wouldn’t be if it were directed against any other group. When Corbyn (who as Labour MPs go was as left as you could get) was elected as leader and the NEC flooded it gave antisemites on the far left the confidence to express their opinions freely. I think it’s fair to say Corbyn wasn’t a hands on leader and there was no will to deal with antisemitism when it was coming from the same people who attended his outdoor rallies and who were generally seen as being on the right (left ) side. The Labour leadership were far too busy patting themselves on the back for being ‘real’ Labour again and calling anyone who wasn’t 100% with them (like the majority of the PLP) Tory to look at the Twitter feeds of the people they were standing shoulder to shoulder with.

Is there anyone who's familiar with the expulsion processes the Labour Party have who could tell us if there might be a prima facie case for Corbyn being booted? I'm not a member and really don't know much about it.

Racism in the Tory party doesn't make the Labour Party any less racist - stop condoning racism just because you like the people doing it. Stop trying to change the subject when people point out racism - how can you possibly think that's acceptable behaviour?!

This!

Accept that if you voted Labour you actively turned a blind eye or worse wanted an anti Semitic leader and party.

Own your choice.

At the risk of derailing the thread (again ...) can anyone explain where this leaves Shami, sorry, Baroness Chakrabarti's report into antisemitism in the Labour Party, produced in 2016 and which helpfully exonerated Corbyn?

Presumably this casts doubt over her integrity, even more than the fact she wrote a supposedly independent report and then accepted a peerage from the main beneficiary of her findings?

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As I recall, it was Tony Blair's Labour which jumped at the chance to bomb the shit out of the innocent civilians of the muslim middle east.

Labour has a top to bottom problem with core attitudes to all political minorities. They talk big talk but the walk stinks.

I don't disagree but I feel compelled to point out the large amount of cross-party support for Tony's illegal warmongering. It isn't correct to characterise this as a Labour-only issue - and I am not seeking in any way to excuse Labour either.

Is everyone forgetting that Starmer was in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet and stood by him. He didn’t denounce Corbyn then, no good making platitudes now. Starmer stood by a disastrous labour leader, didn’t call him out on it, and to top it all, he was the architect of the Brexit policy. Not much of a record.

Yes, if we must bring the Tories and the Middle East into it, there was significantly greater opposition to the invasion of Iraq from the parliamentary Labour than Conservative party, even pro rata'd for the much larger number of MPs the latter then had. But again, why is this relevant?

Former, I mean, not latter. Obviously Labour had loads more MPs than the Tories in 03!

I’m a little confused about the high standards Labour is being held to. How many BAME cabinet ministers has labour had, how many female party leaders? The female shadow cabinet member they do have, leave a lot to be desired and lower the bar to be honest. The left likes to beat the equality drum, but actions speak louder than words.

Starmer dealing with this topic always reminds me of the Life of Brian DO SOMETHING!!!! committee scene.

Not a credible opposition.

Here's the clip. I forgot it

He's been suspended.

Just seen the news - they must be watching this thread haha.

Due process should follow, which did not seem to happen when complaints were made under his leadership.

Is everyone forgetting that Starmer was in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet and stood by him.

Would he be current Labour leader if he had opposed Corbyn? All that really shows is politicking.

Now he's in a position to properly deal with him, let's hope he does. Will it split the party though? Or is everyone just too tired these days to care?

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He's been suspended.

Excellent news.

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Starmer dealing with this topic always reminds me of the Life of Brian DO SOMETHING!!!! committee scene.

Not a credible opposition.

I think it's because they haven't really sorted out what they even mean by anti-semitism. International definitions as far as I can see are causing more problems than clarity because it's impossible it seems even to discuss those.

It's not a thing that people feel they can talk about openly, and I think that's become a serious problem. You can't sort out a problem if you can't define what it is and isn't, or what the cause is. No one wants to open up the discussion so they stay quiet altogether if they can get away with it. If they have to do something, it's basically a check box action (these three things are bigoted,) meant to be seen rather than be effective, and it alienates as much as it unites.

I just can't see the Labour Party actually having any kind of real or honest discussion about those questions though. That ability to discuss serious questions no longer seems part of their intellectual make-up. Trevor Phillips might be able to do it, but look where that got him.

Great news! Let's hope he and his acolytes who still occasionally slither around here are dumped out.

Due process should follow, which did not seem to happen when complaints were made under his leadership.

I agree, and it should be done without delay. Given his comments rejecting the report and claiming it was over-exaggerated it looks like and open and shut case to be honest.

Can't believe Corbyn has been suspended.

This time last year we were told by Labour he is the prime minister in waiting, now we are told by Labour he is so bad he needs to be suspended.

Don't Labour realise, that they actually need to be an effective opposition? Not a sixth form political protest?

sst1234 How many BAME cabinet ministers has labour had, how many female party leaders? The female shadow cabinet member they do have, leave a lot to be desired and lower the bar to be honest. The left likes to beat the equality drum, but actions speak louder than words.

Its truly amazing that the Labour Party has had such male talent to draw from that they haven't had to draw from 51% of the population of the UK!

A very similar picture at local level, where Labour has been in charge of some parts of Scotland for so long and corruption so ingrained that its effectively driven anyone decent out of local politics.

Don't Labour realise, that they actually need to be an effective opposition?

Kicking out Corbyn is a promising first step towards this. Getting rid of his vile hangers on might also encourage some voters back.

Cue split in Labour party?

I recon there will be s BAME Tory prime minister before there is a female Labour prime minister. Anyone want to bet me?

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At the risk of derailing the thread (again ...) can anyone explain where this leaves Shami, sorry, Baroness Chakrabarti's report into antisemitism in the Labour Party, produced in 2016 and which helpfully exonerated Corbyn?

Presumably this casts doubt over her integrity, even more than the fact she wrote a supposedly independent report and then accepted a peerage from the main beneficiary of her findings?

You are absolutely right although she isn't named Teflon Shami for nothing!

So, she'll probably carry on. Disgrace.