to think Jeremy Corbyn should be expelled from the Labour Party?

[FractionalGains]

The EHRC has found that the Labour Party was did not do enough to address anti-semitism to the extent that it breached the equality act, and could even be said to have accepted it. The leadership office is implicated in 23 occasions.

AIBU to think this is unacceptable and his place in the Labour Party is no longer tenable?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

For my part I also think the Tories are massive racists but I had come to expect better from the Labour Party. I’m hoping that Starmer doesn’t bottle it in dealing with this report as I think there are quite a few voters like me who would like to vote labour but felt unable to.

Mittens030869

"the fact that the Tories are worse shouldn't be used to silence those Jewish Labour members who have experienced anti-semitism in the Labour Party."

Quite. I lost count of the number of conversations I had with people around this issue who would say "but Tories are more racist than Labour".

Of course Tories are more racist than Labour as a general point. But its just good enough when the figurehead of a party which in part trades on its appeal as a party which is inclusive and promotes anti-racism won't tackle the antisemitism that's under its nose.

Labour will never reclaim its right to be the party of anti-racism until it tackles this obsession it has about the state of Israel and the way this informs its approach to foreign policy etc. Corbyn was so steeped in this that I think he literally couldn't see past it.

It has to be better than the Tories at racism, not simply on parity with them with lots of get-out-of-jail free "its Israel so it doesn't count" clauses.

I think the current PM's racism is much more overt and that it is absolutely relevant to say that if you want to kick JC out of labour for antisemitism you should also want to kick Bojo out of the Tories for racism. We are complicated beings, we can absolutely hold both things to be true and manage a mumsnet thread about both.

Yes, he should. The bugger’s reaction to the report was to minimise it. Starmer has said anyone who defends it no longer has a place in the Labour Party so it looks as if he agrees with the OP. It would certainly draw a significant line in the sand.

Time for him to be deselected, or have a motion of no confidence proposed by his constituency. See how he likes it.

I get this, I really do. But the fact that the Tories are worse shouldn't be used to silence those Jewish Labour members who have experienced anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

I know. For the record, I think the way that Corbyn handled it was terrible. He should have done much more to combat it.
I cannot help but sympathise with him on some level though. The things he's been accused of are completely out of proportion with what he's done (or failed to do). As someone whose built a career on being an anti racist, I can see why he's so defensive about it. But he should have bitten the bullet long ago and apologised properly instead of the "opposed to racism in all it's forms" he came out with.

I genuinely cannot eye roll harder at the people blathering on about islamophobia in the Tories. I voted independent in the last election because I could bear to vote for either of them - but you sound beyond ridiculous.
This is how you sound:
OP: My new shoes give me blisters.
Commenter: What about how annoying it is that face masks fog up your glasses?! Why aren't you talking about that?!
If you want to talk about something completely separate from this thread then make your own fucking thread. Racism in the Tory party doesn't make the Labour Party any less racist - stop condoning racism just because you like the people doing it. Stop trying to change the subject when people point out racism - how can you possibly think that's acceptable behaviour?!

@ANoTail

I get this, I really do. But the fact that the Tories are worse shouldn't be used to silence those Jewish Labour members who have experienced anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

I know. For the record, I think the way that Corbyn handled it was terrible. He should have done much more to combat it.
I cannot help but sympathise with him on some level though. The things he's been accused of are completely out of proportion with what he's done (or failed to do). As someone whose built a career on being an anti racist, I can see why he's so defensive about it. But he should have bitten the bullet long ago and apologised properly instead of the "opposed to racism in all it's forms" he came out with.

He's built his career on the facade of being an anti-racist and is angry that his true colours have been shown. He's too old to realise that social media catches him out - he's used to politics in a time when your every word wasn't being recorded and shared and you could get away with lies.

@TheFuckingDogs

I think maybe we should be discussing a current PM who was personally racist (Watermelon smiles/letterbox etc etc)instead of backbench politician from the opposition party

Is there a reason why both cannot he discussed? Do people need parameters set on what they ‘should’ be allowed to discuss? Are the opposition party irrelevant or unaccountable?

@TheFuckingDogs

I think maybe we should be discussing a current PM who was personally racist (Watermelon smiles/letterbox etc etc)instead of backbench politician from the opposition party

On this thread let’s discuss the subject of this thread, maybe?

There seems to be the implication that people who are concerned about antisemitism in the Labour party are Tories who don't give a shit about Islamophobia in the Conservative party.

There certainly seems to be a belief amongst a lot of posters that you can only hold one opinion at a time, and thinking Labour are a woeful opposition party makes you a Tory schill.

Whereas it’s often the case that those bemoaning the ineptitude of the current Labour Party are doing do because they would dearly love an opposition party that could viably challenge the current government.

I don’t see what Corbyn resigning would achieve. The staff employed by Labour have become out of the control of the leaders and have no respect for Labour Party members. Unless Starmer can resolve that, he’s not going to be able to remove anti-semitism or other forms of harassment of members from the Labour Party.

If you want to talk about something completely separate from this thread then make your own fucking thread.

The current leader of a political party is racist and got into office despite flaunting overt racism. They are currently the leader of GB.

The ex leader of the opposition party is antisemitic and their party lost the last election while he was their leader.

It isn't completely seperate at all. It's very related, and we are one of the most advanced species on the planet, we are perfectly capable of discussing both on the same thread fgs.

As I recall, it was Tony Blair's Labour which jumped at the chance to bomb the shit out of the innocent civilians of the muslim middle east.

Labour has a top to bottom problem with core attitudes to all political minorities. They talk big talk but the walk stinks.

It isn't completely seperate at all. It's very related

It’s whataboutery. The EHRC report came out today so the Labour Party leadership deserve focus today.

@EverydayDrudge

If you want to talk about something completely separate from this thread then make your own fucking thread.

The current leader of a political party is racist and got into office despite flaunting overt racism. They are currently the leader of GB.

The ex leader of the opposition party is antisemitic and their party lost the last election while he was their leader.

It isn't completely seperate at all. It's very related, and we are one of the most advanced species on the planet, we are perfectly capable of discussing both on the same thread fgs.

The fact you've separated them by paragraph kind of demonstrates that they aren't related though... BoJo being racist doesn't make JC any less racist, despite what the JC fangirls on this site like to shriek.

@Mittens030869

Possibly we do need another thread about Islamophobia in the Conservative party. Or indeed another thread corruption in the Conservative party (might need a few threads for that) but I doubt you'd get to the end of the first page before someone piped up "At least we don't have Corbyn."

I get this, I really do. But the fact that the Tories are worse shouldn't be used to silence those Jewish Labour members who have experienced anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

Definitely.

Yes, the Tories have a significant problem with Islamophobia. They have also been happy to cozy up with Jew haters on the far right, which suggests that avoiding anti-Semitism isn't exactly a major priority for them either. That matters. But it isn't relevant to the issue of anti-Semitism within Labour. It's just not. That is something that needs to be addressed in itself, not in relation to the misdeeds of other parties.

If a person wants to discuss racism and Islamophobia within the Conservative Party that's fine, there is much to discuss, but they should start a thread.

It’s weird, those posters keen to talk about the Tories don’t seem to have started any threads yet. One might suspect their real motive is to derail/dilute discussion on this one.

I can’t believe he still had the face to be still clinging on. Absolutely no shame.

I left the Labour Party last year. However I’m watching KS and how they go forward with the protection of women’s rights. I like KS and really hopeful but cannot go back unless they stop throwing women under the bus.

Whereas it’s often the case that those bemoaning the ineptitude of the current Labour Party are doing do because they would dearly love an opposition party that could viably challenge the current government.

^This. Like it or not (and I don't), we can't get rid of BoJo right now. But if the Labour Party can make itself a credible opposition, then come the next election, there might be a chance to vote them out.

But that isn't even the point here. There are Jewish Labour Party members talking about the anti-semitism that drove them out of the party. They deserve the right to talk about it without being shouted down with 'The Tories are worse'.

@Coldwinds

I can’t believe he still had the face to be still clinging on. Absolutely no shame.

I left the Labour Party last year. However I’m watching KS and how they go forward with the protection of women’s rights. I like KS and really hopeful but cannot go back unless they stop throwing women under the bus.

Ehh, he's got a majority of over 26,000. Warts and all. I can't say I'm a fan, but I don't think it's particularly outrageous for him to choose to continue as a Labour MP when he was handed such a significant mandate in that capacity.

I can’t believe he still had the face to be still clinging on. Absolutely no shame.

Not unexpected given his previous form. Didn’t resign when he was massively no confidenced. Hung on for months when he massively lost the General Election. Expect him to dig in and double down now too.

It's disappointing to see that yet again a thread about anti-semitism in the Labour party is swiftly minimised and derailed to Islamophobia/Tories.

This type of whataboutery is rightly derided in other threads about racial/ethnic/religious issues, why not also here?

@Stripesnomore

I don’t see what Corbyn resigning would achieve. The staff employed by Labour have become out of the control of the leaders and have no respect for Labour Party members. Unless Starmer can resolve that, he’s not going to be able to remove anti-semitism or other forms of harassment of members from the Labour Party.

You’re right. His resignation (from what?) would achieve nothing. That’s why he needs to be kicked out of the party. I hope Starmer has the balls to do it.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if Corbyn is thrown out of the party...they could certainly do worse. In fact, this isn't a bad opportunity to purge much of the Corbynite wing of the party - they're the ones who will likely continue to deny the problem and their failures in opposition have helped lead us to where we are today.

All this said, I also tend to agree that the tories aren't better. In fact, their discrimination seems to extend to black people, muslims, remainers and people who don't have much money: arguably anyone who isn't like them.